Thanks Karel for the well balanced email.

This discussion will never reach an agreement,

because it's a biased
discussion, and we do have personal preferences involved - I for one
can't stand Groovy.

And that's the reason I strongly advocate for keeping it to Java - this
is a Groovy vs Java, while it should've been X vs Java - Scala specs2,
RSpec (via JRuby), Jasmine or Mocha (via DynJS or Rhino) - Heck, even
Clojure would be easier to work than Java.

Unless we have a broad discussion over all those languages (which
honestly I don't think we have time for that) we should stick to the
lowest common denominator, which is (unfortunately) Java.

fwiw, I can see the value of s/Groovy/dynamic JVM lang for tests/ - any
of them would fit the bill - what I can't let go is the partiality of
the debate.

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:03:43PM +0200, Karel Piwko wrote:
> Hi,
>
> let me summarize the discussion from previous threads:
>
> What were testing requirements?
> * Do not mock
> * Cover both backend and frontend testing at the same time
> * Control test env from tests/Maven, so it runs on both CI and local machine
>   without any setup required
> => Those 3 requirements limited us to use Arquillian
> * Cover unified push server specifications in readable way
>
> Why Groovy instead of Java?
> + Better support for JSON
> + Spock provides very nice BDD support
> + Still supports anything Java would do
>
> What problems we faced with Groovy?
> - Needs specific compiler - solved, configured for tests only
> - Needs support in IDE - Intellij - ootb, Eclipse and NetBeans have
>   plugins
> - Needs to be deployed in test deployment - not addressed now, prolongs test
>   execution by few seconds per deployment
>
> What are currently raised concerns?
> - Different language for development and testing
> - Raises bar for newcomers willing to write tests
>
> Thank you for additional advantages, concerns or proving some of those are not
> valid.
>
> Karel
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