Le 30 mars 2015 à 21:31, Daniel Passos <dpassos(a)redhat.com&gt; a écrit : > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Folks ! > > For AGPUSH-969[1] and to kick off the discussions, I started a small POC mainly focused on the backend. To sum up quickly : we want to know how many installations/users has opened the application after that a Push Notification has been touched. Let me see if I understood. UPS will send a message to the client and when the message be *read* (instead of delivered), the client will send a message back to the UPS saying: "The message was read"?

> So, the very first thing that had to be done was to give the Push Notification a unique identifier, so that we can track it and do the metrics on it. +1. Not only us (UPS) but also the backend app > For that, I have been using an existing model object that we have , the PushMessageInformation[2], and that is currently used to provide information for our dashboard. > This object has now some extra fields, like a appOpenCounter etc ... > > The ID of this PushMessageInformation is now passed into the payload of the Push Message, just before we send it, this way the client library can use this ID to pass extra information to the UPS when a notification is touched. > For this POC, I hijacked the cordova-helloworld, so that it extracts the ID from the payload and pass it as header when registering. The message back (from client to UPS) will be send every time the user _read_ that?

> When the UPS receive the request, it looks for the header and if it exist it updates the existing PushMessageInformation instance. > > Please note, that for this POC, all is happening on Application level and not on Variant level but that can be easily changed. It depends on how fined grained we want to have these analytics. > > I did a small screencast that shows this in action : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseBBJZLz6s&feature=youtu.be > > The UPS branch containing the changes is here (the 2 latests commits are relevant) : https://github.com/sebastienblanc/aerogear-unified-push-server/tree/analy... > > The client app is not really relevant since I really hacked badly the app (and the push plugin) ;) , however if interested I may share it. > > Now, let's discuss :) > > Sebi > > [1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGPUSH-969 > [2] https://github.com/aerogear/aerogear-unifiedpush-server/blob/master/model... > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev -- -- Passos _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

Hi, With the new data we have I've compared sent vs open messages on a chart for each App: https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html (the x axis should be dates) I am wondering if we can generate a ratio that's useful for a marketing person and show a benchmark comparing with other UPS users to know if the users campaign is successful or not. Something like: open/sent or device/open I believe that to show the first and last time a message was open is not very useful. Maybe I am wrong, but, If we want to show an over time chart for each notification we should collect periodical data, for example # of open messages per hour to generate a linear graph that represents a day. What do you think? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Sébastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > Envoyé de mon iPhone > > Le 30 mars 2015 à 21:31, Daniel Passos <dpassos(a)redhat.com&gt; a écrit : > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> Folks ! >> >> For AGPUSH-969[1] and to kick off the discussions, I started a small >> POC mainly focused on the backend. To sum up quickly : we want to know how >> many installations/users has opened the application after that a Push >> Notification has been touched. >> > > Let me see if I understood. UPS will send a message to the client and > when the message be *read* (instead of delivered), the client will send a > message back to the UPS saying: "The message was read"? > > > Yes , but let me be more specific here : us when the app is in the > background or not running and that the user "tap" the notification > > So, the very first thing that had to be done was to give the Push >> Notification a unique identifier, so that we can track it and do the >> metrics on it. >> > > +1. Not only us (UPS) but also the backend app > > >> For that, I have been using an existing model object that we have , the >> PushMessageInformation[2], and that is currently used to provide >> information for our dashboard. >> This object has now some extra fields, like a appOpenCounter etc ... >> >> The ID of this PushMessageInformation is now passed into the payload of >> the Push Message, just before we send it, this way the client library can >> use this ID to pass extra information to the UPS when a notification is >> touched. >> For this POC, I hijacked the cordova-helloworld, so that it extracts the >> ID from the payload and pass it as header when registering. >> > > The message back (from client to UPS) will be send every time the user > _read_ that? > > Well normally that will only happen once per installation per Push > message > > > >> When the UPS receive the request, it looks for the header and if it >> exist it updates the existing PushMessageInformation instance. >> >> Please note, that for this POC, all is happening on Application level >> and not on Variant level but that can be easily changed. It depends on how >> fined grained we want to have these analytics. >> >> I did a small screencast that shows this in action : >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseBBJZLz6s&feature=youtu.be >> >> The UPS branch containing the changes is here (the 2 latests commits are >> relevant) : >> https://github.com/sebastienblanc/aerogear-unified-push-server/tree/analy... >> >> The client app is not really relevant since I really hacked badly the >> app (and the push plugin) ;) , however if interested I may share it. >> >> Now, let's discuss :) >> >> Sebi >> >> [1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGPUSH-969 >> [2] >> https://github.com/aerogear/aerogear-unifiedpush-server/blob/master/model... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >> > > > > -- > -- Passos > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Lukáš Fryč <lukas.fryc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Looks good so far, Andres, > > you are right, we want to show time-aggregated data, not particular > events. > > Idea: > My perspective might be very technical rather then marketing, but a pie > chart with Push Network split would be interesting to me. > +1 (or Donut :) ) > > st 8. 4. 2015 v 14:12 odesílatel Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; > napsal: > > Hi, >> >> With the new data we have I've compared sent vs open messages on a chart >> for each App: >> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >> (the x axis should be dates) >> >> I am wondering if we can generate a ratio that's useful for a marketing >> person and show a benchmark comparing with other UPS users to know if the >> users campaign is successful or not. Something like: open/sent or >> device/open >> >> I believe that to show the first and last time a message was open is not >> very useful. Maybe I am wrong, but, If we want to show an over time chart >> for each notification we should collect periodical data, for example # of >> open messages per hour to generate a linear graph that represents a day. >> >> What do you think? >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Sébastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>> >>> Le 30 mars 2015 à 21:31, Daniel Passos <dpassos(a)redhat.com&gt; a écrit : >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Folks ! >>>> >>>> For AGPUSH-969[1] and to kick off the discussions, I started a small >>>> POC mainly focused on the backend. To sum up quickly : we want to know how >>>> many installations/users has opened the application after that a Push >>>> Notification has been touched. >>>> >>> >>> Let me see if I understood. UPS will send a message to the client and >>> when the message be *read* (instead of delivered), the client will send a >>> message back to the UPS saying: "The message was read"? >>> >>> >>> Yes , but let me be more specific here : us when the app is in the >>> background or not running and that the user "tap" the notification >>> >>> So, the very first thing that had to be done was to give the Push >>>> Notification a unique identifier, so that we can track it and do the >>>> metrics on it. >>>> >>> >>> +1. Not only us (UPS) but also the backend app >>> >>> >>>> For that, I have been using an existing model object that we have , >>>> the PushMessageInformation[2], and that is currently used to provide >>>> information for our dashboard. >>>> This object has now some extra fields, like a appOpenCounter etc ... >>>> >>>> The ID of this PushMessageInformation is now passed into the payload >>>> of the Push Message, just before we send it, this way the client library >>>> can use this ID to pass extra information to the UPS when a notification is >>>> touched. >>>> For this POC, I hijacked the cordova-helloworld, so that it extracts >>>> the ID from the payload and pass it as header when registering. >>>> >>> >>> The message back (from client to UPS) will be send every time the user >>> _read_ that? >>> >>> Well normally that will only happen once per installation per Push >>> message >>> >>> >>> >>>> When the UPS receive the request, it looks for the header and if it >>>> exist it updates the existing PushMessageInformation instance. >>>> >>>> Please note, that for this POC, all is happening on Application level >>>> and not on Variant level but that can be easily changed. It depends on how >>>> fined grained we want to have these analytics. >>>> >>>> I did a small screencast that shows this in action : >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseBBJZLz6s&feature=youtu.be >>>> >>>> The UPS branch containing the changes is here (the 2 latests commits >>>> are relevant) : >>>> https://github.com/sebastienblanc/aerogear-unified-push-server/tree/analy... >>>> >>>> The client app is not really relevant since I really hacked badly the >>>> app (and the push plugin) ;) , however if interested I may share it. >>>> >>>> Now, let's discuss :) >>>> >>>> Sebi >>>> >>>> [1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGPUSH-969 >>>> [2] >>>> https://github.com/aerogear/aerogear-unifiedpush-server/blob/master/model... >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- Passos >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

One thing: I think the numbers on the chart are confusing, and incorrect. It's usually not a ton of messages that are sent. that's more like 5 or 10 per day (speaking of vanilla marketing pushes). If more, I'd UNINSTALL the damn app. Therefore the "app opened due to receiving push" numbers are also not 100% correct here. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: > :-) I like that too. > > But Andres, again, awesome UX ! > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Lukáš Fryč <lukas.fryc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Looks good so far, Andres, >>> >>> you are right, we want to show time-aggregated data, not particular >>> events. >>> >>> Idea: >>> My perspective might be very technical rather then marketing, but a pie >>> chart with Push Network split would be interesting to me. >>> >> +1 (or Donut :) ) >> >>> >>> st 8. 4. 2015 v 14:12 odesílatel Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> napsal: >>> >>> Hi, >>>> >>>> With the new data we have I've compared sent vs open messages on a >>>> chart for each App: >>>> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >>>> (the x axis should be dates) >>>> >>>> I am wondering if we can generate a ratio that's useful for a >>>> marketing person and show a benchmark comparing with other UPS users to >>>> know if the users campaign is successful or not. Something like: open/sent >>>> or device/open >>>> >>>> I believe that to show the first and last time a message was open is >>>> not very useful. Maybe I am wrong, but, If we want to show an over time >>>> chart for each notification we should collect periodical data, for example >>>> # of open messages per hour to generate a linear graph that represents a >>>> day. >>>> >>>> What do you think? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Sébastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>>> >>>>> Le 30 mars 2015 à 21:31, Daniel Passos <dpassos(a)redhat.com&gt; a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Sebastien Blanc < >>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Folks ! >>>>>> >>>>>> For AGPUSH-969[1] and to kick off the discussions, I started a >>>>>> small POC mainly focused on the backend. To sum up quickly : we want to >>>>>> know how many installations/users has opened the application after that a >>>>>> Push Notification has been touched. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let me see if I understood. UPS will send a message to the client and >>>>> when the message be *read* (instead of delivered), the client will send a >>>>> message back to the UPS saying: "The message was read"? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes , but let me be more specific here : us when the app is in the >>>>> background or not running and that the user "tap" the notification >>>>> >>>>> So, the very first thing that had to be done was to give the Push >>>>>> Notification a unique identifier, so that we can track it and do the >>>>>> metrics on it. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +1. Not only us (UPS) but also the backend app >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> For that, I have been using an existing model object that we have , >>>>>> the PushMessageInformation[2], and that is currently used to provide >>>>>> information for our dashboard. >>>>>> This object has now some extra fields, like a appOpenCounter etc ... >>>>>> >>>>>> The ID of this PushMessageInformation is now passed into the payload >>>>>> of the Push Message, just before we send it, this way the client library >>>>>> can use this ID to pass extra information to the UPS when a notification is >>>>>> touched. >>>>>> For this POC, I hijacked the cordova-helloworld, so that it extracts >>>>>> the ID from the payload and pass it as header when registering. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The message back (from client to UPS) will be send every time the >>>>> user _read_ that? >>>>> >>>>> Well normally that will only happen once per installation per Push >>>>> message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> When the UPS receive the request, it looks for the header and if it >>>>>> exist it updates the existing PushMessageInformation instance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please note, that for this POC, all is happening on Application >>>>>> level and not on Variant level but that can be easily changed. It depends >>>>>> on how fined grained we want to have these analytics. >>>>>> >>>>>> I did a small screencast that shows this in action : >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseBBJZLz6s&feature=youtu.be >>>>>> >>>>>> The UPS branch containing the changes is here (the 2 latests commits >>>>>> are relevant) : >>>>>> https://github.com/sebastienblanc/aerogear-unified-push-server/tree/analy... >>>>>> >>>>>> The client app is not really relevant since I really hacked badly >>>>>> the app (and the push plugin) ;) , however if interested I may share it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, let's discuss :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sebi >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGPUSH-969 >>>>>> [2] >>>>>> https://github.com/aerogear/aerogear-unifiedpush-server/blob/master/model... >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- Passos >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >> > > > > -- > Matthias Wessendorf > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

Thanks for the changed UI I think we also have the notion to track a specifc push message "Show this by Friday, and get 5% discount". I think what I'd like to see is, on the current UI, you click a specific push message, to get more details: here would be the right spot to see 2k opened due to push On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Yes, you are right, it should be something like: > > 5 message sent > 3k delivered > 2k open > 4k devices. > > Just change the example. Also the x-axis should be dates. > > Thanks! > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; > wrote: > >> One thing: I think the numbers on the chart are confusing, and >> incorrect. >> It's usually not a ton of messages that are sent. that's more like 5 or >> 10 per day (speaking of vanilla marketing pushes). If more, I'd UNINSTALL >> the damn app. >> Therefore the "app opened due to receiving push" numbers are also not >> 100% correct here. >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> :-) I like that too. >>> >>> But Andres, again, awesome UX ! >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Lukáš Fryč <lukas.fryc(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Looks good so far, Andres, >>>>> >>>>> you are right, we want to show time-aggregated data, not particular >>>>> events. >>>>> >>>>> Idea: >>>>> My perspective might be very technical rather then marketing, but a >>>>> pie chart with Push Network split would be interesting to me. >>>>> >>>> +1 (or Donut :) ) >>>> >>>>> >>>>> st 8. 4. 2015 v 14:12 odesílatel Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>> napsal: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> With the new data we have I've compared sent vs open messages on a >>>>>> chart for each App: >>>>>> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >>>>>> (the x axis should be dates) >>>>>> >>>>>> I am wondering if we can generate a ratio that's useful for a >>>>>> marketing person and show a benchmark comparing with other UPS users to >>>>>> know if the users campaign is successful or not. Something like: open/sent >>>>>> or device/open >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe that to show the first and last time a message was open is >>>>>> not very useful. Maybe I am wrong, but, If we want to show an over time >>>>>> chart for each notification we should collect periodical data, for example >>>>>> # of open messages per hour to generate a linear graph that represents a >>>>>> day. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Sébastien Blanc < >>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Le 30 mars 2015 à 21:31, Daniel Passos <dpassos(a)redhat.com&gt; a >>>>>>> écrit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Sebastien Blanc < >>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Folks ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For AGPUSH-969[1] and to kick off the discussions, I started a >>>>>>>> small POC mainly focused on the backend. To sum up quickly : we want to >>>>>>>> know how many installations/users has opened the application after that a >>>>>>>> Push Notification has been touched. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me see if I understood. UPS will send a message to the client >>>>>>> and when the message be *read* (instead of delivered), the client will send >>>>>>> a message back to the UPS saying: "The message was read"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes , but let me be more specific here : us when the app is in the >>>>>>> background or not running and that the user "tap" the notification >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, the very first thing that had to be done was to give the Push >>>>>>>> Notification a unique identifier, so that we can track it and do the >>>>>>>> metrics on it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +1. Not only us (UPS) but also the backend app >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For that, I have been using an existing model object that we have >>>>>>>> , the PushMessageInformation[2], and that is currently used to provide >>>>>>>> information for our dashboard. >>>>>>>> This object has now some extra fields, like a appOpenCounter etc >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The ID of this PushMessageInformation is now passed into the >>>>>>>> payload of the Push Message, just before we send it, this way the client >>>>>>>> library can use this ID to pass extra information to the UPS when a >>>>>>>> notification is touched. >>>>>>>> For this POC, I hijacked the cordova-helloworld, so that it >>>>>>>> extracts the ID from the payload and pass it as header when registering. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The message back (from client to UPS) will be send every time the >>>>>>> user _read_ that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well normally that will only happen once per installation per Push >>>>>>> message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When the UPS receive the request, it looks for the header and if >>>>>>>> it exist it updates the existing PushMessageInformation instance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please note, that for this POC, all is happening on Application >>>>>>>> level and not on Variant level but that can be easily changed. It depends >>>>>>>> on how fined grained we want to have these analytics. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I did a small screencast that shows this in action : >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseBBJZLz6s&feature=youtu.be >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The UPS branch containing the changes is here (the 2 latests >>>>>>>> commits are relevant) : >>>>>>>> https://github.com/sebastienblanc/aerogear-unified-push-server/tree/analy... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The client app is not really relevant since I really hacked badly >>>>>>>> the app (and the push plugin) ;) , however if interested I may share it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, let's discuss :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sebi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGPUSH-969 >>>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>>> https://github.com/aerogear/aerogear-unifiedpush-server/blob/master/model... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -- Passos >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Matthias Wessendorf >>> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >> > > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

Le 8 avr. 2015 à 15:44, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; a écrit : Yes, you are right, it should be something like: 5 message sent 3k delivered 2k open 4k devices. Just change the example. Also the x-axis should be dates. Thanks! > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: > One thing: I think the numbers on the chart are confusing, and incorrect. > It's usually not a ton of messages that are sent. that's more like 5 or 10 per day (speaking of vanilla marketing pushes). If more, I'd UNINSTALL the damn app. > Therefore the "app opened due to receiving push" numbers are also not 100% correct here. > >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: >> :-) I like that too. >> >> But Andres, again, awesome UX ! >> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Lukáš Fryč <lukas.fryc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> Looks good so far, Andres, >>>> >>>> you are right, we want to show time-aggregated data, not particular events. >>>> >>>> Idea: >>>> My perspective might be very technical rather then marketing, but a pie chart with Push Network split would be interesting to me. >>> >>> +1 (or Donut :) ) >>>> >>>> st 8. 4. 2015 v 14:12 odesílatel Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; napsal: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> With the new data we have I've compared sent vs open messages on a chart for each App: >>>>> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >>>>> (the x axis should be dates) >>>>> >>>>> I am wondering if we can generate a ratio that's useful for a marketing person and show a benchmark comparing with other UPS users to know if the users campaign is successful or not. Something like: open/sent or device/open >>>>> >>>>> I believe that to show the first and last time a message was open is not very useful. Maybe I am wrong, but, If we want to show an over time chart for each notification we should collect periodical data, for example # of open messages per hour to generate a linear graph that represents a day. >>>>> >>>>> What do you think? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Sébastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> Le 30 mars 2015 à 21:31, Daniel Passos <dpassos(a)redhat.com&gt; a écrit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> Folks ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For AGPUSH-969[1] and to kick off the discussions, I started a small POC mainly focused on the backend. To sum up quickly : we want to know how many installations/users has opened the application after that a Push Notification has been touched. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me see if I understood. UPS will send a message to the client and when the message be *read* (instead of delivered), the client will send a message back to the UPS saying: "The message was read"? >>>>>> Yes , but let me be more specific here : us when the app is in the background or not running and that the user "tap" the notification >>>>>>>> So, the very first thing that had to be done was to give the Push Notification a unique identifier, so that we can track it and do the metrics on it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +1. Not only us (UPS) but also the backend app >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For that, I have been using an existing model object that we have , the PushMessageInformation[2], and that is currently used to provide information for our dashboard. >>>>>>>> This object has now some extra fields, like a appOpenCounter etc ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The ID of this PushMessageInformation is now passed into the payload of the Push Message, just before we send it, this way the client library can use this ID to pass extra information to the UPS when a notification is touched. >>>>>>>> For this POC, I hijacked the cordova-helloworld, so that it extracts the ID from the payload and pass it as header when registering. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The message back (from client to UPS) will be send every time the user _read_ that? >>>>>> Well normally that will only happen once per installation per Push message >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When the UPS receive the request, it looks for the header and if it exist it updates the existing PushMessageInformation instance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please note, that for this POC, all is happening on Application level and not on Variant level but that can be easily changed. It depends on how fined grained we want to have these analytics. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I did a small screencast that shows this in action : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseBBJZLz6s&feature=youtu.be >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The UPS branch containing the changes is here (the 2 latests commits are relevant) : https://github.com/sebastienblanc/aerogear-unified-push-server/tree/analy... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The client app is not really relevant since I really hacked badly the app (and the push plugin) ;) , however if interested I may share it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, let's discuss :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sebi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGPUSH-969 >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/aerogear/aerogear-unifiedpush-server/blob/master/model... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -- Passos >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >> >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > > > > -- > Matthias Wessendorf > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

Good idea! take a look: https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Sébastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > I wonder if a bar chart (even maybe stacked bar) would not be more clear > to show this data ? > Wdyt ? > > Envoyé de mon iPhone > > Le 8 avr. 2015 à 15:44, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; a écrit : > > Yes, you are right, it should be something like: > > 5 message sent > 3k delivered > 2k open > 4k devices. > > Just change the example. Also the x-axis should be dates. > > Thanks! > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; > wrote: > >> One thing: I think the numbers on the chart are confusing, and >> incorrect. >> It's usually not a ton of messages that are sent. that's more like 5 or >> 10 per day (speaking of vanilla marketing pushes). If more, I'd UNINSTALL >> the damn app. >> Therefore the "app opened due to receiving push" numbers are also not >> 100% correct here. >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> :-) I like that too. >>> >>> But Andres, again, awesome UX ! >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Lukáš Fryč <lukas.fryc(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Looks good so far, Andres, >>>>> >>>>> you are right, we want to show time-aggregated data, not particular >>>>> events. >>>>> >>>>> Idea: >>>>> My perspective might be very technical rather then marketing, but a >>>>> pie chart with Push Network split would be interesting to me. >>>>> >>>> +1 (or Donut :) ) >>>> >>>>> >>>>> st 8. 4. 2015 v 14:12 odesílatel Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>> napsal: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> With the new data we have I've compared sent vs open messages on a >>>>>> chart for each App: >>>>>> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >>>>>> (the x axis should be dates) >>>>>> >>>>>> I am wondering if we can generate a ratio that's useful for a >>>>>> marketing person and show a benchmark comparing with other UPS users to >>>>>> know if the users campaign is successful or not. Something like: open/sent >>>>>> or device/open >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe that to show the first and last time a message was open is >>>>>> not very useful. Maybe I am wrong, but, If we want to show an over time >>>>>> chart for each notification we should collect periodical data, for example >>>>>> # of open messages per hour to generate a linear graph that represents a >>>>>> day. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Sébastien Blanc < >>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Le 30 mars 2015 à 21:31, Daniel Passos <dpassos(a)redhat.com&gt; a >>>>>>> écrit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Sebastien Blanc < >>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Folks ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For AGPUSH-969[1] and to kick off the discussions, I started a >>>>>>>> small POC mainly focused on the backend. To sum up quickly : we want to >>>>>>>> know how many installations/users has opened the application after that a >>>>>>>> Push Notification has been touched. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me see if I understood. UPS will send a message to the client >>>>>>> and when the message be *read* (instead of delivered), the client will send >>>>>>> a message back to the UPS saying: "The message was read"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes , but let me be more specific here : us when the app is in the >>>>>>> background or not running and that the user "tap" the notification >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, the very first thing that had to be done was to give the Push >>>>>>>> Notification a unique identifier, so that we can track it and do the >>>>>>>> metrics on it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +1. Not only us (UPS) but also the backend app >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For that, I have been using an existing model object that we have >>>>>>>> , the PushMessageInformation[2], and that is currently used to provide >>>>>>>> information for our dashboard. >>>>>>>> This object has now some extra fields, like a appOpenCounter etc >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The ID of this PushMessageInformation is now passed into the >>>>>>>> payload of the Push Message, just before we send it, this way the client >>>>>>>> library can use this ID to pass extra information to the UPS when a >>>>>>>> notification is touched. >>>>>>>> For this POC, I hijacked the cordova-helloworld, so that it >>>>>>>> extracts the ID from the payload and pass it as header when registering. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The message back (from client to UPS) will be send every time the >>>>>>> user _read_ that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well normally that will only happen once per installation per Push >>>>>>> message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When the UPS receive the request, it looks for the header and if >>>>>>>> it exist it updates the existing PushMessageInformation instance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please note, that for this POC, all is happening on Application >>>>>>>> level and not on Variant level but that can be easily changed. It depends >>>>>>>> on how fined grained we want to have these analytics. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I did a small screencast that shows this in action : >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseBBJZLz6s&feature=youtu.be >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The UPS branch containing the changes is here (the 2 latests >>>>>>>> commits are relevant) : >>>>>>>> https://github.com/sebastienblanc/aerogear-unified-push-server/tree/analy... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The client app is not really relevant since I really hacked badly >>>>>>>> the app (and the push plugin) ;) , however if interested I may share it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, let's discuss :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sebi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGPUSH-969 >>>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>>> https://github.com/aerogear/aerogear-unifiedpush-server/blob/master/model... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -- Passos >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Matthias Wessendorf >>> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >> > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

Le 8 avr. 2015 à 17:51, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; a écrit : Again, I doubt that there will be 3k of messages per app, a day. That would mean your "ESPN Sports News" app would send you 3k messages - joy, he?

I wonder how the charts would look on more realistic data: 500.000 devices 1 push message a day (delivered to all 500k) opened by 250k, same day Now if I sent two messages: Breaking news A, Breaking news B How would I see how many directly opened "Breaking news A" (or the other one)? > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Good idea! take a look: > > https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html > > > >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Sébastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> I wonder if a bar chart (even maybe stacked bar) would not be more clear to show this data ? >> Wdyt ? >> >> Envoyé de mon iPhone >> >>> Le 8 avr. 2015 à 15:44, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; a écrit : >>> >>> Yes, you are right, it should be something like: >>> >>> 5 message sent >>> 3k delivered >>> 2k open >>> 4k devices. >>> >>> Just change the example. Also the x-axis should be dates. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: >>>> One thing: I think the numbers on the chart are confusing, and incorrect. >>>> It's usually not a ton of messages that are sent. that's more like 5 or 10 per day (speaking of vanilla marketing pushes). If more, I'd UNINSTALL the damn app. >>>> Therefore the "app opened due to receiving push" numbers are also not 100% correct here. >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: >>>>> :-) I like that too. >>>>> >>>>> But Andres, again, awesome UX ! >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Lukáš Fryč <lukas.fryc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> Looks good so far, Andres, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> you are right, we want to show time-aggregated data, not particular events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Idea: >>>>>>> My perspective might be very technical rather then marketing, but a pie chart with Push Network split would be interesting to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> +1 (or Donut :) ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> st 8. 4. 2015 v 14:12 odesílatel Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; napsal: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With the new data we have I've compared sent vs open messages on a chart for each App: >>>>>>>> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >>>>>>>> (the x axis should be dates) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am wondering if we can generate a ratio that's useful for a marketing person and show a benchmark comparing with other UPS users to know if the users campaign is successful or not. Something like: open/sent or device/open >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I believe that to show the first and last time a message was open is not very useful. Maybe I am wrong, but, If we want to show an over time chart for each notification we should collect periodical data, for example # of open messages per hour to generate a linear graph that represents a day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Sébastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Le 30 mars 2015 à 21:31, Daniel Passos <dpassos(a)redhat.com&gt; a écrit : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Folks ! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For AGPUSH-969[1] and to kick off the discussions, I started a small POC mainly focused on the backend. To sum up quickly : we want to know how many installations/users has opened the application after that a Push Notification has been touched. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me see if I understood. UPS will send a message to the client and when the message be *read* (instead of delivered), the client will send a message back to the UPS saying: "The message was read"? >>>>>>>>> Yes , but let me be more specific here : us when the app is in the background or not running and that the user "tap" the notification >>>>>>>>>>> So, the very first thing that had to be done was to give the Push Notification a unique identifier, so that we can track it and do the metrics on it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> +1. Not only us (UPS) but also the backend app >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For that, I have been using an existing model object that we have , the PushMessageInformation[2], and that is currently used to provide information for our dashboard. >>>>>>>>>>> This object has now some extra fields, like a appOpenCounter etc ... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The ID of this PushMessageInformation is now passed into the payload of the Push Message, just before we send it, this way the client library can use this ID to pass extra information to the UPS when a notification is touched. >>>>>>>>>>> For this POC, I hijacked the cordova-helloworld, so that it extracts the ID from the payload and pass it as header when registering. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The message back (from client to UPS) will be send every time the user _read_ that? >>>>>>>>> Well normally that will only happen once per installation per Push message >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When the UPS receive the request, it looks for the header and if it exist it updates the existing PushMessageInformation instance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please note, that for this POC, all is happening on Application level and not on Variant level but that can be easily changed. It depends on how fined grained we want to have these analytics. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I did a small screencast that shows this in action : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseBBJZLz6s&feature=youtu.be >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The UPS branch containing the changes is here (the 2 latests commits are relevant) : https://github.com/sebastienblanc/aerogear-unified-push-server/tree/analy... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The client app is not really relevant since I really hacked badly the app (and the push plugin) ;) , however if interested I may share it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now, let's discuss :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sebi >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGPUSH-969 >>>>>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/aerogear/aerogear-unifiedpush-server/blob/master/model... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> -- Passos >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Matthias Wessendorf >>>>> >>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Matthias Wessendorf >>>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

I think that the wording confuses you Matthias and I agree it should be different : [image: Displaying IMG_1727.PNG] Instead of "Delivered Messages" and "Open Message" we should have something else, but I have no idea right now tbh :) On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Sébastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > Envoyé de mon iPhone > > Le 8 avr. 2015 à 17:51, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; a écrit : > > Again, I doubt that there will be 3k of messages per app, a day. > That would mean your "ESPN Sports News" app would send you 3k messages - > joy, he? > > No, on the graph here you can see that "message1" has been sent to 2400 > devices and has been opened by 1250 users , it's pretty realistic , and for > the whole week 6 messages has been sent > > > I wonder how the charts would look on more realistic data: > 500.000 devices > 1 push message a day (delivered to all 500k) > opened by 250k, same day > > > Now if I sent two messages: Breaking news A, Breaking news B > How would I see how many directly opened "Breaking news A" (or the other > one)? > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; > wrote: > >> Good idea! take a look: >> >> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Sébastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> I wonder if a bar chart (even maybe stacked bar) would not be more >>> clear to show this data ? >>> Wdyt ? >>> >>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>> >>> Le 8 avr. 2015 à 15:44, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; a écrit : >>> >>> Yes, you are right, it should be something like: >>> >>> 5 message sent >>> 3k delivered >>> 2k open >>> 4k devices. >>> >>> Just change the example. Also the x-axis should be dates. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> One thing: I think the numbers on the chart are confusing, and >>>> incorrect. >>>> It's usually not a ton of messages that are sent. that's more like 5 >>>> or 10 per day (speaking of vanilla marketing pushes). If more, I'd >>>> UNINSTALL the damn app. >>>> Therefore the "app opened due to receiving push" numbers are also not >>>> 100% correct here. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> :-) I like that too. >>>>> >>>>> But Andres, again, awesome UX ! >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Lukáš Fryč <lukas.fryc(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Looks good so far, Andres, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> you are right, we want to show time-aggregated data, not particular >>>>>>> events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Idea: >>>>>>> My perspective might be very technical rather then marketing, but a >>>>>>> pie chart with Push Network split would be interesting to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>> +1 (or Donut :) ) >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> st 8. 4. 2015 v 14:12 odesílatel Andres Galante < >>>>>>> agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; napsal: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With the new data we have I've compared sent vs open messages on a >>>>>>>> chart for each App: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >>>>>>>> (the x axis should be dates) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am wondering if we can generate a ratio that's useful for a >>>>>>>> marketing person and show a benchmark comparing with other UPS users to >>>>>>>> know if the users campaign is successful or not. Something like: open/sent >>>>>>>> or device/open >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I believe that to show the first and last time a message was open >>>>>>>> is not very useful. Maybe I am wrong, but, If we want to show an over time >>>>>>>> chart for each notification we should collect periodical data, for example >>>>>>>> # of open messages per hour to generate a linear graph that represents a >>>>>>>> day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Sébastien Blanc < >>>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Le 30 mars 2015 à 21:31, Daniel Passos <dpassos(a)redhat.com&gt; a >>>>>>>>> écrit : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Sebastien Blanc < >>>>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Folks ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For AGPUSH-969[1] and to kick off the discussions, I started a >>>>>>>>>> small POC mainly focused on the backend. To sum up quickly : we want to >>>>>>>>>> know how many installations/users has opened the application after that a >>>>>>>>>> Push Notification has been touched. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let me see if I understood. UPS will send a message to the client >>>>>>>>> and when the message be *read* (instead of delivered), the client will send >>>>>>>>> a message back to the UPS saying: "The message was read"? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes , but let me be more specific here : us when the app is in >>>>>>>>> the background or not running and that the user "tap" the notification >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, the very first thing that had to be done was to give the Push >>>>>>>>>> Notification a unique identifier, so that we can track it and do the >>>>>>>>>> metrics on it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1. Not only us (UPS) but also the backend app >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For that, I have been using an existing model object that we >>>>>>>>>> have , the PushMessageInformation[2], and that is currently used to provide >>>>>>>>>> information for our dashboard. >>>>>>>>>> This object has now some extra fields, like a appOpenCounter etc >>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The ID of this PushMessageInformation is now passed into the >>>>>>>>>> payload of the Push Message, just before we send it, this way the client >>>>>>>>>> library can use this ID to pass extra information to the UPS when a >>>>>>>>>> notification is touched. >>>>>>>>>> For this POC, I hijacked the cordova-helloworld, so that it >>>>>>>>>> extracts the ID from the payload and pass it as header when registering. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The message back (from client to UPS) will be send every time the >>>>>>>>> user _read_ that? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well normally that will only happen once per installation per >>>>>>>>> Push message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When the UPS receive the request, it looks for the header and if >>>>>>>>>> it exist it updates the existing PushMessageInformation instance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please note, that for this POC, all is happening on Application >>>>>>>>>> level and not on Variant level but that can be easily changed. It depends >>>>>>>>>> on how fined grained we want to have these analytics. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I did a small screencast that shows this in action : >>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseBBJZLz6s&feature=youtu.be >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The UPS branch containing the changes is here (the 2 latests >>>>>>>>>> commits are relevant) : >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/sebastienblanc/aerogear-unified-push-server/tree/analy... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The client app is not really relevant since I really hacked >>>>>>>>>> badly the app (and the push plugin) ;) , however if interested I may share >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now, let's discuss :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sebi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGPUSH-969 >>>>>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/aerogear/aerogear-unifiedpush-server/blob/master/model... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> -- Passos >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Matthias Wessendorf >>>>> >>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Matthias Wessendorf >>>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >> > > > > -- > Matthias Wessendorf > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > > _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

Do we always successful deliver messages to all registered devices?

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: > Again, I doubt that there will be 3k of messages per app, a day. > That would mean your "ESPN Sports News" app would send you 3k messages - > joy, he? > > I wonder how the charts would look on more realistic data: > 500.000 devices > 1 push message a day (delivered to all 500k) > opened by 250k, same day > > > Now if I sent two messages: Breaking news A, Breaking news B > How would I see how many directly opened "Breaking news A" (or the other > one)? > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; > wrote: > >> Good idea! take a look: >> >> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Sébastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> I wonder if a bar chart (even maybe stacked bar) would not be more >>> clear to show this data ? >>> Wdyt ? >>> >>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>> >>> Le 8 avr. 2015 à 15:44, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; a écrit : >>> >>> Yes, you are right, it should be something like: >>> >>> 5 message sent >>> 3k delivered >>> 2k open >>> 4k devices. >>> >>> Just change the example. Also the x-axis should be dates. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> One thing: I think the numbers on the chart are confusing, and >>>> incorrect. >>>> It's usually not a ton of messages that are sent. that's more like 5 >>>> or 10 per day (speaking of vanilla marketing pushes). If more, I'd >>>> UNINSTALL the damn app. >>>> Therefore the "app opened due to receiving push" numbers are also not >>>> 100% correct here. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> :-) I like that too. >>>>> >>>>> But Andres, again, awesome UX ! >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Lukáš Fryč <lukas.fryc(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Looks good so far, Andres, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> you are right, we want to show time-aggregated data, not particular >>>>>>> events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Idea: >>>>>>> My perspective might be very technical rather then marketing, but a >>>>>>> pie chart with Push Network split would be interesting to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>> +1 (or Donut :) ) >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> st 8. 4. 2015 v 14:12 odesílatel Andres Galante < >>>>>>> agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; napsal: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With the new data we have I've compared sent vs open messages on a >>>>>>>> chart for each App: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >>>>>>>> (the x axis should be dates) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am wondering if we can generate a ratio that's useful for a >>>>>>>> marketing person and show a benchmark comparing with other UPS users to >>>>>>>> know if the users campaign is successful or not. Something like: open/sent >>>>>>>> or device/open >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I believe that to show the first and last time a message was open >>>>>>>> is not very useful. Maybe I am wrong, but, If we want to show an over time >>>>>>>> chart for each notification we should collect periodical data, for example >>>>>>>> # of open messages per hour to generate a linear graph that represents a >>>>>>>> day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Sébastien Blanc < >>>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Le 30 mars 2015 à 21:31, Daniel Passos <dpassos(a)redhat.com&gt; a >>>>>>>>> écrit : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Sebastien Blanc < >>>>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Folks ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For AGPUSH-969[1] and to kick off the discussions, I started a >>>>>>>>>> small POC mainly focused on the backend. To sum up quickly : we want to >>>>>>>>>> know how many installations/users has opened the application after that a >>>>>>>>>> Push Notification has been touched. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let me see if I understood. UPS will send a message to the client >>>>>>>>> and when the message be *read* (instead of delivered), the client will send >>>>>>>>> a message back to the UPS saying: "The message was read"? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes , but let me be more specific here : us when the app is in >>>>>>>>> the background or not running and that the user "tap" the notification >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, the very first thing that had to be done was to give the Push >>>>>>>>>> Notification a unique identifier, so that we can track it and do the >>>>>>>>>> metrics on it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1. Not only us (UPS) but also the backend app >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For that, I have been using an existing model object that we >>>>>>>>>> have , the PushMessageInformation[2], and that is currently used to provide >>>>>>>>>> information for our dashboard. >>>>>>>>>> This object has now some extra fields, like a appOpenCounter etc >>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The ID of this PushMessageInformation is now passed into the >>>>>>>>>> payload of the Push Message, just before we send it, this way the client >>>>>>>>>> library can use this ID to pass extra information to the UPS when a >>>>>>>>>> notification is touched. >>>>>>>>>> For this POC, I hijacked the cordova-helloworld, so that it >>>>>>>>>> extracts the ID from the payload and pass it as header when registering. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The message back (from client to UPS) will be send every time the >>>>>>>>> user _read_ that? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well normally that will only happen once per installation per >>>>>>>>> Push message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When the UPS receive the request, it looks for the header and if >>>>>>>>>> it exist it updates the existing PushMessageInformation instance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please note, that for this POC, all is happening on Application >>>>>>>>>> level and not on Variant level but that can be easily changed. It depends >>>>>>>>>> on how fined grained we want to have these analytics. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I did a small screencast that shows this in action : >>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseBBJZLz6s&feature=youtu.be >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The UPS branch containing the changes is here (the 2 latests >>>>>>>>>> commits are relevant) : >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/sebastienblanc/aerogear-unified-push-server/tree/analy... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The client app is not really relevant since I really hacked >>>>>>>>>> badly the app (and the push plugin) ;) , however if interested I may share >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now, let's discuss :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sebi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGPUSH-969 >>>>>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/aerogear/aerogear-unifiedpush-server/blob/master/model... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> -- Passos >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Matthias Wessendorf >>>>> >>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Matthias Wessendorf >>>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >> > > > > -- > Matthias Wessendorf > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Do we always successful deliver messages to all registered devices? > no, it's not even us. we just give the payload to the networks. They all (APNS, GCM, Windows) have no SLA for actual delivery. All what we can say is: delivered "payload" to APNs for distribution to n devices Once they open the app, our server is hit, and we know: n devices did receive it > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; > wrote: > >> Again, I doubt that there will be 3k of messages per app, a day. >> That would mean your "ESPN Sports News" app would send you 3k messages - >> joy, he? >> >> I wonder how the charts would look on more realistic data: >> 500.000 devices >> 1 push message a day (delivered to all 500k) >> opened by 250k, same day >> >> >> Now if I sent two messages: Breaking news A, Breaking news B >> How would I see how many directly opened "Breaking news A" (or the other >> one)? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> Good idea! take a look: >>> >>> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Sébastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder if a bar chart (even maybe stacked bar) would not be more >>>> clear to show this data ? >>>> Wdyt ? >>>> >>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>> >>>> Le 8 avr. 2015 à 15:44, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; a écrit : >>>> >>>> Yes, you are right, it should be something like: >>>> >>>> 5 message sent >>>> 3k delivered >>>> 2k open >>>> 4k devices. >>>> >>>> Just change the example. Also the x-axis should be dates. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf < >>>> matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> One thing: I think the numbers on the chart are confusing, and >>>>> incorrect. >>>>> It's usually not a ton of messages that are sent. that's more like 5 >>>>> or 10 per day (speaking of vanilla marketing pushes). If more, I'd >>>>> UNINSTALL the damn app. >>>>> Therefore the "app opened due to receiving push" numbers are also not >>>>> 100% correct here. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Matthias Wessendorf < >>>>> matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> :-) I like that too. >>>>>> >>>>>> But Andres, again, awesome UX ! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Lukáš Fryč <lukas.fryc(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looks good so far, Andres, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you are right, we want to show time-aggregated data, not >>>>>>>> particular events. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Idea: >>>>>>>> My perspective might be very technical rather then marketing, but >>>>>>>> a pie chart with Push Network split would be interesting to me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 (or Donut :) ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> st 8. 4. 2015 v 14:12 odesílatel Andres Galante < >>>>>>>> agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; napsal: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With the new data we have I've compared sent vs open messages on >>>>>>>>> a chart for each App: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >>>>>>>>> (the x axis should be dates) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am wondering if we can generate a ratio that's useful for a >>>>>>>>> marketing person and show a benchmark comparing with other UPS users to >>>>>>>>> know if the users campaign is successful or not. Something like: open/sent >>>>>>>>> or device/open >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I believe that to show the first and last time a message was open >>>>>>>>> is not very useful. Maybe I am wrong, but, If we want to show an over time >>>>>>>>> chart for each notification we should collect periodical data, for example >>>>>>>>> # of open messages per hour to generate a linear graph that represents a >>>>>>>>> day. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Sébastien Blanc < >>>>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Le 30 mars 2015 à 21:31, Daniel Passos <dpassos(a)redhat.com&gt; a >>>>>>>>>> écrit : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Sebastien Blanc < >>>>>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Folks ! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For AGPUSH-969[1] and to kick off the discussions, I started a >>>>>>>>>>> small POC mainly focused on the backend. To sum up quickly : we want to >>>>>>>>>>> know how many installations/users has opened the application after that a >>>>>>>>>>> Push Notification has been touched. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me see if I understood. UPS will send a message to the >>>>>>>>>> client and when the message be *read* (instead of delivered), the client >>>>>>>>>> will send a message back to the UPS saying: "The message was read"? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes , but let me be more specific here : us when the app is in >>>>>>>>>> the background or not running and that the user "tap" the notification >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, the very first thing that had to be done was to give the >>>>>>>>>>> Push Notification a unique identifier, so that we can track it and do the >>>>>>>>>>> metrics on it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> +1. Not only us (UPS) but also the backend app >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For that, I have been using an existing model object that we >>>>>>>>>>> have , the PushMessageInformation[2], and that is currently used to provide >>>>>>>>>>> information for our dashboard. >>>>>>>>>>> This object has now some extra fields, like a appOpenCounter >>>>>>>>>>> etc ... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The ID of this PushMessageInformation is now passed into the >>>>>>>>>>> payload of the Push Message, just before we send it, this way the client >>>>>>>>>>> library can use this ID to pass extra information to the UPS when a >>>>>>>>>>> notification is touched. >>>>>>>>>>> For this POC, I hijacked the cordova-helloworld, so that it >>>>>>>>>>> extracts the ID from the payload and pass it as header when registering. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The message back (from client to UPS) will be send every time >>>>>>>>>> the user _read_ that? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well normally that will only happen once per installation per >>>>>>>>>> Push message >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When the UPS receive the request, it looks for the header and >>>>>>>>>>> if it exist it updates the existing PushMessageInformation instance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please note, that for this POC, all is happening on Application >>>>>>>>>>> level and not on Variant level but that can be easily changed. It depends >>>>>>>>>>> on how fined grained we want to have these analytics. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I did a small screencast that shows this in action : >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseBBJZLz6s&feature=youtu.be >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The UPS branch containing the changes is here (the 2 latests >>>>>>>>>>> commits are relevant) : >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/sebastienblanc/aerogear-unified-push-server/tree/analy... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The client app is not really relevant since I really hacked >>>>>>>>>>> badly the app (and the push plugin) ;) , however if interested I may share >>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now, let's discuss :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sebi >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGPUSH-969 >>>>>>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/aerogear/aerogear-unifiedpush-server/blob/master/model... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> -- Passos >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf >>>>>> >>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Matthias Wessendorf >>>>> >>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >> > > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Sebi, I just change the demo. > I like it more, but I wonder about the stacked bars again, not sure it is the best visually, maybe having the 2 bar side-by-side like here http://c3js.org/samples/chart_bar.html or what I really would like to see but I could not find it in c3 is : the 2 bars superposed a bit like this http://i.stack.imgur.com/0hjX7.png > > I now understand what you mean, and you are right its hard to explain it > in a short word. > Yes , what about "Sent out to <number> devices" ? > If we want we can ask someone from marketing, they have a hole sub team > dedicated to writing. > > Parse uses "Push Notifications" > > http://blog.parse.com/2013/03/18/introducing-push-analytics-improved-insi... > > Urban Airship uses "Total Pushes sent" > http://urbanairship.com/products/mobile-analytics > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> Do we always successful deliver messages to all registered devices? >>> >> >> no, it's not even us. we just give the payload to the networks. They all >> (APNS, GCM, Windows) have no SLA for actual delivery. >> >> All what we can say is: >> delivered "payload" to APNs for distribution to n devices >> >> Once they open the app, our server is hit, and we know: n devices did >> receive it >> >> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Again, I doubt that there will be 3k of messages per app, a day. >>>> That would mean your "ESPN Sports News" app would send you 3k messages >>>> - joy, he? >>>> >>>> I wonder how the charts would look on more realistic data: >>>> 500.000 devices >>>> 1 push message a day (delivered to all 500k) >>>> opened by 250k, same day >>>> >>>> >>>> Now if I sent two messages: Breaking news A, Breaking news B >>>> How would I see how many directly opened "Breaking news A" (or the >>>> other one)? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good idea! take a look: >>>>> >>>>> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Sébastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if a bar chart (even maybe stacked bar) would not be more >>>>>> clear to show this data ? >>>>>> Wdyt ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 8 avr. 2015 à 15:44, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; a >>>>>> écrit : >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, you are right, it should be something like: >>>>>> >>>>>> 5 message sent >>>>>> 3k delivered >>>>>> 2k open >>>>>> 4k devices. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just change the example. Also the x-axis should be dates. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf < >>>>>> matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> One thing: I think the numbers on the chart are confusing, and >>>>>>> incorrect. >>>>>>> It's usually not a ton of messages that are sent. that's more like >>>>>>> 5 or 10 per day (speaking of vanilla marketing pushes). If more, I'd >>>>>>> UNINSTALL the damn app. >>>>>>> Therefore the "app opened due to receiving push" numbers are also >>>>>>> not 100% correct here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Matthias Wessendorf < >>>>>>> matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> :-) I like that too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But Andres, again, awesome UX ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sebastien Blanc < >>>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Lukáš Fryč <lukas.fryc(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Looks good so far, Andres, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> you are right, we want to show time-aggregated data, not >>>>>>>>>> particular events. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Idea: >>>>>>>>>> My perspective might be very technical rather then marketing, >>>>>>>>>> but a pie chart with Push Network split would be interesting to me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1 (or Donut :) ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> st 8. 4. 2015 v 14:12 odesílatel Andres Galante < >>>>>>>>>> agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; napsal: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With the new data we have I've compared sent vs open messages >>>>>>>>>>> on a chart for each App: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >>>>>>>>>>> (the x axis should be dates) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if we can generate a ratio that's useful for a >>>>>>>>>>> marketing person and show a benchmark comparing with other UPS users to >>>>>>>>>>> know if the users campaign is successful or not. Something like: open/sent >>>>>>>>>>> or device/open >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I believe that to show the first and last time a message was >>>>>>>>>>> open is not very useful. Maybe I am wrong, but, If we want to show an over >>>>>>>>>>> time chart for each notification we should collect periodical data, for >>>>>>>>>>> example # of open messages per hour to generate a linear graph that >>>>>>>>>>> represents a day. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Sébastien Blanc < >>>>>>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Le 30 mars 2015 à 21:31, Daniel Passos <dpassos(a)redhat.com&gt; a >>>>>>>>>>>> écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Sebastien Blanc < >>>>>>>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Folks ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For AGPUSH-969[1] and to kick off the discussions, I started >>>>>>>>>>>>> a small POC mainly focused on the backend. To sum up quickly : we want to >>>>>>>>>>>>> know how many installations/users has opened the application after that a >>>>>>>>>>>>> Push Notification has been touched. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let me see if I understood. UPS will send a message to the >>>>>>>>>>>> client and when the message be *read* (instead of delivered), the client >>>>>>>>>>>> will send a message back to the UPS saying: "The message was read"? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes , but let me be more specific here : us when the app is in >>>>>>>>>>>> the background or not running and that the user "tap" the notification >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, the very first thing that had to be done was to give the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Push Notification a unique identifier, so that we can track it and do the >>>>>>>>>>>>> metrics on it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1. Not only us (UPS) but also the backend app >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For that, I have been using an existing model object that we >>>>>>>>>>>>> have , the PushMessageInformation[2], and that is currently used to provide >>>>>>>>>>>>> information for our dashboard. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This object has now some extra fields, like a appOpenCounter >>>>>>>>>>>>> etc ... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The ID of this PushMessageInformation is now passed into the >>>>>>>>>>>>> payload of the Push Message, just before we send it, this way the client >>>>>>>>>>>>> library can use this ID to pass extra information to the UPS when a >>>>>>>>>>>>> notification is touched. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For this POC, I hijacked the cordova-helloworld, so that it >>>>>>>>>>>>> extracts the ID from the payload and pass it as header when registering. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The message back (from client to UPS) will be send every time >>>>>>>>>>>> the user _read_ that? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well normally that will only happen once per installation per >>>>>>>>>>>> Push message >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> When the UPS receive the request, it looks for the header and >>>>>>>>>>>>> if it exist it updates the existing PushMessageInformation instance. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note, that for this POC, all is happening on >>>>>>>>>>>>> Application level and not on Variant level but that can be easily changed. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It depends on how fined grained we want to have these analytics. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I did a small screencast that shows this in action : >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseBBJZLz6s&feature=youtu.be >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The UPS branch containing the changes is here (the 2 latests >>>>>>>>>>>>> commits are relevant) : >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/sebastienblanc/aerogear-unified-push-server/tree/analy... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The client app is not really relevant since I really hacked >>>>>>>>>>>>> badly the app (and the push plugin) ;) , however if interested I may share >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, let's discuss :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sebi >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGPUSH-969 >>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/aerogear/aerogear-unifiedpush-server/blob/master/model... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> -- Passos >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 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http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>>>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>> >>>>> 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On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: > since APNs, and GCM can be used for Desktop and browsers, I don't like > the word device here. It's more an installation (that's the origin of this > name actually) > #Agreed > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> Sebi, I just change the demo. >>> >> I like it more, but I wonder about the stacked bars again, not sure it >> is the best visually, maybe having the 2 bar side-by-side like here >> http://c3js.org/samples/chart_bar.html or what I really would like to >> see but I could not find it in c3 is : the 2 bars superposed a bit like >> this http://i.stack.imgur.com/0hjX7.png >> >>> >>> I now understand what you mean, and you are right its hard to explain >>> it in a short word. >>> >> Yes , what about "Sent out to <number> devices" ? >> >>> If we want we can ask someone from marketing, they have a hole sub team >>> dedicated to writing. >>> >>> Parse uses "Push Notifications" >>> >>> http://blog.parse.com/2013/03/18/introducing-push-analytics-improved-insi... >>> >>> Urban Airship uses "Total Pushes sent" >>> http://urbanairship.com/products/mobile-analytics >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do we always successful deliver messages to all registered devices? >>>>> >>>> >>>> no, it's not even us. we just give the payload to the networks. They >>>> all (APNS, GCM, Windows) have no SLA for actual delivery. >>>> >>>> All what we can say is: >>>> delivered "payload" to APNs for distribution to n devices >>>> >>>> Once they open the app, our server is hit, and we know: n devices did >>>> receive it >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Matthias Wessendorf < >>>>> matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Again, I doubt that there will be 3k of messages per app, a day. >>>>>> That would mean your "ESPN Sports News" app would send you 3k >>>>>> messages - joy, he? >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder how the charts would look on more realistic data: >>>>>> 500.000 devices >>>>>> 1 push message a day (delivered to all 500k) >>>>>> opened by 250k, same day >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Now if I sent two messages: Breaking news A, Breaking news B >>>>>> How would I see how many directly opened "Breaking news A" (or the >>>>>> other one)? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Good idea! take a look: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Sébastien Blanc < >>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wonder if a bar chart (even maybe stacked bar) would not be more >>>>>>>> clear to show this data ? >>>>>>>> Wdyt ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Le 8 avr. 2015 à 15:44, Andres Galante <agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; a >>>>>>>> écrit : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, you are right, it should be something like: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5 message sent >>>>>>>> 3k delivered >>>>>>>> 2k open >>>>>>>> 4k devices. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just change the example. Also the x-axis should be dates. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Matthias Wessendorf < >>>>>>>> matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One thing: I think the numbers on the chart are confusing, and >>>>>>>>> incorrect. >>>>>>>>> It's usually not a ton of messages that are sent. that's more >>>>>>>>> like 5 or 10 per day (speaking of vanilla marketing pushes). If more, I'd >>>>>>>>> UNINSTALL the damn app. >>>>>>>>> Therefore the "app opened due to receiving push" numbers are also >>>>>>>>> not 100% correct here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Matthias Wessendorf < >>>>>>>>> matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> :-) I like that too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But Andres, again, awesome UX ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sebastien Blanc < >>>>>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Lukáš Fryč < >>>>>>>>>>> lukas.fryc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Looks good so far, Andres, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> you are right, we want to show time-aggregated data, not >>>>>>>>>>>> particular events. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Idea: >>>>>>>>>>>> My perspective might be very technical rather then marketing, >>>>>>>>>>>> but a pie chart with Push Network split would be interesting to me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 (or Donut :) ) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> st 8. 4. 2015 v 14:12 odesílatel Andres Galante < >>>>>>>>>>>> agalante(a)redhat.com&gt; napsal: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> With the new data we have I've compared sent vs open messages >>>>>>>>>>>>> on a chart for each App: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://rawgit.com/andresgalante/UPS/master/app-detail-analytics.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> (the x axis should be dates) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if we can generate a ratio that's useful for a >>>>>>>>>>>>> marketing person and show a benchmark comparing with other UPS users to >>>>>>>>>>>>> know if the users campaign is successful or not. Something like: open/sent >>>>>>>>>>>>> or device/open >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe that to show the first and last time a message was >>>>>>>>>>>>> open is not very useful. Maybe I am wrong, but, If we want to show an over >>>>>>>>>>>>> time chart for each notification we should collect periodical data, for >>>>>>>>>>>>> example # of open messages per hour to generate a linear graph that >>>>>>>>>>>>> represents a day. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Sébastien Blanc < >>>>>>>>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 30 mars 2015 à 21:31, Daniel Passos <dpassos(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Sebastien Blanc < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Folks ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For AGPUSH-969[1] and to kick off the discussions, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started a small POC mainly focused on the backend. To sum up quickly : we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to know how many installations/users has opened the application after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a Push Notification has been touched. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me see if I understood. UPS will send a message to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> client and when the message be *read* (instead of delivered), the client >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will send a message back to the UPS saying: "The message was read"? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes , but let me be more specific here : us when the app is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the background or not running and that the user "tap" the notification >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, the very first thing that had to be done was to give the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Push Notification a unique identifier, so that we can track it and do the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metrics on it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1. Not only us (UPS) but also the backend app >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For that, I have been using an existing model object that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have , the PushMessageInformation[2], and that is currently used to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide information for our dashboard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This object has now some extra fields, like a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appOpenCounter etc ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ID of this PushMessageInformation is now passed into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the payload of the Push Message, just before we send it, this way the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> client library can use this ID to pass extra information to the UPS when a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notification is touched. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For this POC, I hijacked the cordova-helloworld, so that it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extracts the ID from the payload and pass it as header when registering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The message back (from client to UPS) will be send every >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time the user _read_ that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well normally that will only happen once per installation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> per Push message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When the UPS receive the request, it looks for the header >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if it exist it updates the existing PushMessageInformation instance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note, that for this POC, all is happening on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Application level and not on Variant level but that can be easily changed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It depends on how fined grained we want to have these analytics. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did a small screencast that shows this in action : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseBBJZLz6s&feature=youtu.be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The UPS branch containing the changes is here (the 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latests commits are relevant) : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/sebastienblanc/aerogear-unified-push-server/tree/analy... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The client app is not really relevant since I really hacked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> badly the app (and the push plugin) ;) , however if interested I may share >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, let's discuss :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sebi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGPUSH-969 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/aerogear/aerogear-unifiedpush-server/blob/master/model... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Passos >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 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