I was more tagging you as it might mean a change in direction. I'm not really sure how most customers are set up. I would assume most of them would have valid certs available on their router, if so then we are covered for a self hosted and an OSD deployment - it will just mean we will need to get a cert for our router. I will also need to chat to Dara Hayes and Wojciech Trocki as I think the solution for this ticket is in conflict with the solution for the other ticket related to the community cluster.