If we want applications to be portable across different implementations then the spec should require the least common multiple - that is beans that belong to passivating scopes being serializable. TomEE/OWB is free to have a mode in which passivation requirements are not checked if the server runs in non-passivating mode.

On 02/03/2015 11:03 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:

servlet spec requirement is only for distributed systems AFAIK == not
required in most of instances.
tomee supports both and is aligned on tomcat for all tomee flavors and
is serialization-less in openejb flavors

That said this is not a certification question but a usage question


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2015-02-03 10:59 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.keil@gmail.com>:

What about TomEE?
After all it's Java EE 6 certified:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javaee/overview/compatibility-jsp-136984.html

So as Mark mentioned briefly, there is a requirement by the Servlet spec, so
I assume it is either always on or at least on by default (otherwise a TomEE
"tweaked" like that would no longer be Java EE compliant;-)

Tomcat itself was never certified.

Werner


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in a standard tomcat yes but not in most of embedded ones...and that's
not the point anyway


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2015-02-02 16:50 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>:

but you HAVE to manually switch it off. By _default_ the serialization
is on...

LieGrue,
strub

On Monday, 2 February 2015, 16:42, Romain Manni-Bucau
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@Mark: that's not true. 1) you can switch it off + I mainly spoke of

embedded case where it is true in 80% of cases


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2015-02-02 16:38 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>:

  Romain, that's not true. Tomcat by default ALWAYS serializes the

session at shutdown! Even if you don't have a cluster set up. This is
also
required by the Servlets spec...

  LieGrue,
  strub

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