Ivan

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen@redhat.com> wrote:

> A couple of comments though. Apparently the amount of Windows XP users is bigger than the combined amounts of Linux and OSX users, so I it would be good problem should probably be fixed one way or another. These numbers are really trustworthy as they come from data that Max Andersen is collecting on a day to day basis from launched JBoss Tools instances.

They don't really become "really trustworthy" until you go look and see of the normal browser access on jboss.org and that is similar: tons of Windows XP users. Or as I tend to refer to them "the silent majority" :)

Note since this is the issues I would reckon both Roo and Maven Shell would have similar issues since they use jline too.
Anyone up to verify that ? if they don't then might be some newer/older version of jline?

/max

>
> AFAIK none of the seasoned forge contributors is *using* XP. But as the numbers above indicate it is still good to once in a while test on XP and make sure it continues to run on that platform. IIRC XP is end of life in 2014 so we will need to put up with it for some more time. ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Koen
>
> Op 13-dec.-2011, om 00:13 heeft Ivan St. Ivanov het volgende geschreven:
>
>> I think that we may go with "asking people to install DLLs".
>>
>> 1) I don't know too many Windows XP users (I come from a country where 99% of the people are using Windows)
>> 2) Even if there are such users, they should have installed this package anyway, because a lot of other programs require it as well (think of it as a JRE, but for MS library based applications)
>>
>> What is more interesting to me is how come two of the seasoned forge contributors are still using XP ;-)
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> INTERESTING!
>>
>> I wonder why this is happening. I now seem to remember an issue like this from a *long* time ago. Not sure what the best solution to the problem is... asking people to install DLLs is not a very nice experience.
>>
>> Good thing: Using Forge in Eclipse does not suffer from this problem.
>>
>> ~Lincoln
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Ivan St. Ivanov <ivan.st.ivanov@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi folks!
>>
>> I installed Windows XP on a VirtualBox instance. Then installed Java and Maven and extracted the latest dev build of forge. I started it and got the following exception (pasting the most relevant part):
>>
>> Exception in thread "Thread-2" javax.enterprise.event.ObserverException
>> at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method)
>>
>> at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(NativeConstruct
>> orAccessorImpl.java:39)
>> at sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(DelegatingC
>> onstructorAccessorImpl.java:27)
>> at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Constructor.java:513)
>> ....
>> Caused by: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class org.fusesource.jansi.internal.Kernel32
>> at org.fusesource.jansi.internal.WindowsSupport.getConsoleMode(WindowsSu
>> pport.java:48)
>> at org.jboss.forge.shell.console.jline.WindowsTerminal.getConsoleMode(Wi
>> ndowsTerminal.java:257)
>> at org.jboss.forge.shell.console.jline.WindowsTerminal.init(WindowsTermi
>> nal.java:94)
>>
>>
>> So I searched Google for the NoClassDefFoundError and came upon this link:
>>
>> http://fusesource.com/forums/thread.jspa?messageID=10985
>>
>> This seemed to be the clue:
>>
>> The problem is missing dll from Visual C++ libraries on the windows XP. I follow the following instruction : http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=5582
>>
>> And now, it's good
>>
>> I installed the VC++ libraries from the above link and forge eventually worked :-)
>>
>> Could you try it?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ivan
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Ivan St. Ivanov <ivan.st.ivanov@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Unfortunately, I am using Windows 7. At home I have one Windows Vista, but no XP. I can create a VirtualBox instance and install XP inside, but it will take me some time.
>>
>> BTW, if it is really hanging, can you (Richard or Koen) press Ctrl+Break and see whether some thread is causing this?
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Ivan
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:40 AM, Richard Kennard <richard@kennardconsulting.com> wrote:
>> Yeah it never starts up.
>>
>> To be absolutely clear:
>>
>> 1. It does not crash or die. There is no stack trace or return to the command prompt.
>> 2. It runs in the sense that you get a flashing cursor that just sits there. But it does not display the 'Forge' ASCII art or anything
>> 3. It is evidently waiting on input, because if you hit return the cursor moves down a line. But only once. Pressing return a second time does nothing
>>
>> On 7/12/2011 3:31 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:
>> > I think they mean that it never starts up, which is very strange to me.
>> >
>> > Happy holiday! I haven't actually heard of that one before (ignorant me.) But have fun :)
>> >
>> > I do want to work on the startup time, but this "never starting" behavior is very strange and I can't reproduce it on windows 7.
>> >
>> > Hopefully Koen will be able to. (Unless you have access to a windows 95 box?)
>> >
>> > ~Lincoln
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Ivan St. Ivanov <ivan.st.ivanov@gmail.com <mailto:ivan.st.ivanov@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Lincoln, folks!
>> >
>> > Sure I will help. However, I wonder a couple of things:
>> >
>> > 1) What do you mean by hanging? Yes, Forge takes some 5-10 seconds to start, but it finally starts. So do you aim at ~2 seconds start or maybe at
>> > Koen's and Richard's computers it never starts at all
>> >
>> > 2) When I start the debug session, should I put somewhere breakpoints? If yes, where?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Ivan
>> >
>> > P.S. Sorry, but I'll do that tomorrow! Today is St. Nicolas's day here in Bulgaria (and I believe in the whole Christian world) and right now I am
>> > celebrating with a friend of mine his name's day ;-)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter@gmail.com <mailto:lincolnbaxter@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Awesome, thanks koen.
>> >
>> > Ivan,
>> >
>> > Could I ask you a favor? Could you follow the debugging instructions in FORGE-400 (comments) and try to find our where Forge is hanging at
>> > runtime? This would help me a *lot* since I cannot get access to an XP machine right now.
>> >
>> > ~Lincoln
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Koen Aers <koen.aers@gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I have created https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-400.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Koen
>> >
>> > Op 6-dec.-2011, om 09:20 heeft Richard Kennard het volgende geschreven:
>> >
>> > >> on Windows 7: run hangs right after startup
>> > >
>> > > Yes, I can confirm this.
>> > >
>> > > Richard.
>> > >
>> > > On 6/12/2011 6:16 PM, Koen Aers wrote:
>> > >> This is very strange. I didn't go into the details but while running the tests on XP I had to use the "line.separator" property because
>> > the output in the
>> > >> test contained "\r\n" and not "\n".
>> > >> I'm confused now…
>> > >>
>> > >> Btw, I don't know what's happening but I can's seem to build trunk on any other platform than OSX.
>> > >>
>> > >> - on XP: build as well as run hang
>> > >> - on Windows 7: build fails with compilation error, run hangs right after startup
>> > >> - on Fedora 16: build fails with (another) compilation error, run is ok
>> > >>
>> > >> I tried the runs with a snapshot build that I did on OSX. I'll create a JIRA issue to track these problems.
>> > >>
>> > >> Cheers,
>> > >> Koen
>> > >>
>> > >> Op 5-dec.-2011, om 22:24 heeft Ivan St. Ivanov het volgende geschreven:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Hi folks,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Richard, thanks a lot for the hint! After downloading the latest version my source compiles.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> However, now I get an error in the test: JavaClassTest::testFormattingIsNotChanged. The problem is in the asserts that check whether the
>> > output contains
>> > >>> Telephone + line.separator + {. The next assert, which also has the line.separator inside, fails too. I am running on Windows. And there
>> > line.separator
>> > >>> is \r\n. However, in the output we get just \n. Which is fine on Mac or UNIX.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> If I change the asserts like this (replace line.separator with \n):
>> > >>>
>> > >>> assertTrue(output.contains(
>> > >>> "Telephone\n{"));
>> > >>> assertTrue(output.contains(
>> > >>> ")\n {"));
>> > >>>
>> > >>> ...it works on Windows.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Of course it's better to fix this in the code, but I saw that the toString method uses the stuff from Eclipse
>> > (org.eclipse.jface.text.Document,
>> > >>> org.eclipse.text.edits.TextEdit, org.eclipse.jdt.core.dom.CompilationUnit). So I'm not sure whether we can do anything there. Unless some
>> > of you has
>> > >>> commit permissions in Eclipse or my observations are wrong :-)
>> > >>>
>> > >>> What do you think?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Cheers!
>> > >>> Ivan
>> > >>>
>> > >>> P.S. If I change the test like above (with \n instead of line.separator), the maven build is successful
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Richard Kennard <richard@kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com>
>> > <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com>>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Ivan,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Apologies. Forge is currently building against a Metawidget snapshot, and that snapshot is still changing. You will need to pull the
>> > latest Forge
>> > >>> build in
>> > >>> order to get the changes (HtmlTableLayout has become HtmlPanelGridLayout).
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Regards,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Richard.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 5/12/2011 1:58 AM, Ivan St. Ivanov wrote:
>> > >>>> Hi guys!
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I did not pull or merge anything since my last successful build (or at least I think so). And now I have a compilation problem:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> [ERROR] \projects\seamforge\core\scaffold-faces\src\main\java\org\jboss\forge\scaffold\faces\FacesScaffold.java:[87,60]
>> > >>>> cannot find symbol
>> > >>>> symbol : class HtmlTableLayout
>> > >>>> location: package org.metawidget.statically.faces.component.html.layout
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> [ERROR] \projects\seamforge\core\scaffold-faces\src\main\java\org\jboss\forge\scaffold\faces\FacesScaffold.java:[354,48]
>> > >>>> cannot find symbol
>> > >>>> symbol : class HtmlTableLayout
>> > >>>> location: class org.jboss.forge.scaffold.faces.FacesScaffold
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> The HtmlTableLayout class is in the org.metawidget.statically.faces.component.html.layout package coming from the
>> > >>> org.metawidget.modules/metawidget-all
>> > >>>> dependency (version 1.35-SNAPSHOT). There is really no such class in the metawidget library. I went on to check the jboss maven
>> > repository. The class
>> > >>>> HTMLTableLayout Indeed existed in older versions of the jar. However, it's not there in latest ones (those after 1st December).
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Does anybody else have the same problem?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Thanks,
>> > >>>> Ivan
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Koen Aers <koen.aers@gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com> <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com>> <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com>
>> > >>> <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> After fixing the failing test on XP, another problem shows up…
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> The test 'ValidationFacetTest' in 'forge-javaee-impl' hangs while initializing the fixture.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> More in detail, the call 'beanManager.fireEvent(new Startup())' in the 'beforeTest()' method of the class
>> > 'SingletonAbstractShellTest.java' never
>> > >>>> returns.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I have no clue as to what might be the cause of this. Any suggestions welcome.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Cheers,
>> > >>>> Koen
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Op 1-dec.-2011, om 09:15 heeft Ivan St. Ivanov het volgende geschreven:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Hi,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> I does hang for ~5 seconds. Not sure if that is problematic. But Beta 3 has the same behavior.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Once it is started I don't see any delays (created new project, setup persistence, added an entity and a field).
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Cheers!
>> > >>>>> Ivan
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Richard Kennard <richard@kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com>
>> > <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com>>
>> > >>> <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com> <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com
>> > <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> But does it run okay? For me, it kept hanging at the command prompt after I typed 'bin/forge'.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Richard.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On 1/12/2011 10:08 AM, Ivan St. Ivanov wrote:
>> > >>>>>> Maven build is successful on Windows 7 :-)
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Keith Babo <kbabo@redhat.com <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com> <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com
>> > <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com>> <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com> <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com>>>
>> > >>> <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com> <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com>> <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com
>> > <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com> <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com <mailto:kbabo@redhat.com>>>>>
>> > >>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> You could always spin up a job on the JBoss Jenkins server to build this on Windows for you ….
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On Nov 30, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Hey Koen,
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Could I ask you to look in to this? I am not at a place where I have access to windows, and I don't see that error on OSX.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Thanks!
>> > >>>>>>> ~Lincoln
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Koen Aers <koen.aers@gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com> <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com>> <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com>
>> > >>> <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com>>> <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com>>
>> > >>>>> <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com> <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers@gmail.com>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> I was able to build, test and run without issues on OSX. On Windows (XP) the build stopped after the following failing test. I didn't
>> > >>>>>>> investigate any further.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Cheers,
>> > >>>>>>> Koen
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >>>>>>> Test set: org.jboss.forge.test.parser.java.JavaClassTest
>> > >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >>>>>>> Tests run: 25, Failures: 1, Errors: 0, Skipped: 0, Time elapsed: 0.078 sec <<< FAILURE!
>> > >>>>>>> testFormattingIsNotChanged(org.jboss.forge.test.parser.java.JavaClassTest) Time elapsed: 0.015 sec <<< FAILURE!
>> > >>>>>>> java.lang.AssertionError:
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.Assert.fail(Assert.java:91)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.Assert.assertTrue(Assert.java:43)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.Assert.assertTrue(Assert.java:54)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.jboss.forge.test.parser.java.JavaClassTest.testFormattingIsNotChanged(JavaClassTest.java:77)
>> > >>>>>>> at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
>> > >>>>>>> at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39)
>> > >>>>>>> at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
>> > >>>>>>> at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.model.FrameworkMethod$1.runReflectiveCall(FrameworkMethod.java:44)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.internal.runners.model.ReflectiveCallable.run(ReflectiveCallable.java:15)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.model.FrameworkMethod.invokeExplosively(FrameworkMethod.java:41)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.internal.runners.statements.InvokeMethod.evaluate(InvokeMethod.java:20)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.internal.runners.statements.RunBefores.evaluate(RunBefores.java:28)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.BlockJUnit4ClassRunner.runChild(BlockJUnit4ClassRunner.java:76)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.BlockJUnit4ClassRunner.runChild(BlockJUnit4ClassRunner.java:50)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner$3.run(ParentRunner.java:193)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner$1.schedule(ParentRunner.java:52)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner.runChildren(ParentRunner.java:191)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner.access$000(ParentRunner.java:42)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner$2.evaluate(ParentRunner.java:184)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner.run(ParentRunner.java:236)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.apache.maven.surefire.junit4.JUnit4TestSet.execute(JUnit4TestSet.java:59)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.apache.maven.surefire.suite.AbstractDirectoryTestSuite.executeTestSet(AbstractDirectoryTestSuite.java:115)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.apache.maven.surefire.suite.AbstractDirectoryTestSuite.execute(AbstractDirectoryTestSuite.java:102)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.apache.maven.surefire.Surefire.run(Surefire.java:180)
>> > >>>>>>> at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
>> > >>>>>>> at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39)
>> > >>>>>>> at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
>> > >>>>>>> at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.apache.maven.surefire.booter.SurefireBooter.runSuitesInProcess(SurefireBooter.java:350)
>> > >>>>>>> at org.apache.maven.surefire.booter.SurefireBooter.main(SurefireBooter.java:1021)
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Richard Kennard <richard@kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com>
>> > <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com>>
>> > >>> <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com> <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com
>> > <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com>>>
>> > >>>>> <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com> <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com
>> > <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com>> <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com>
>> > >>> <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard@kennardconsulting.com>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Lincoln,
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> The build seems to run, and there are no lingering test failures, but on Windows the distribution fails to start up? It just hangs at the
>> > >>>>>>> command prompt,
>> > >>>>>>> without printing 'Forge' in ASCII text or anything. It appears to be waiting for keyboard input, as if I press ENTER the cursor moves
>> > down
>> > >>>>>>> once, but then
>> > >>>>>>> it too stops.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> I have grown so used to Forge telling me I'm an idiot for running Windows, but now it won't even do that :)
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Regards,
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Richard.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On 30/11/2011 9:07 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>> What was the problem in the end ?
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> My guess was a memory leak in forge or the testsuite - did I win ?
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> /max
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2011, at 22:16, Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Please feel free to run the full build on any operating system, without the aggravation of lingering test failures!
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>> Lincoln Baxter, III
>> > >>>>>>>>> http://ocpsoft.com <http://ocpsoft.com/> <http://ocpsoft.com/> <http://ocpsoft.com/>
>> > >>>>>>>>> http://scrumshark.com <http://scrumshark.com/> <http://scrumshark.com/> <http://scrumshark.com/>
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>> > >>>>>>> http://scrumshark.com <http://scrumshark.com/> <http://scrumshark.com/> <http://scrumshark.com/>
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>> > >>> <mailto:forge-dev@lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev@lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev@lists.jboss.org
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>> > >>> <mailto:forge-dev@lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev@lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev@lists.jboss.org
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>> >
>> > --
>> > Lincoln Baxter, III
>> > http://ocpsoft.com
>> > http://scrumshark.com
>> > "Keep it Simple"
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>> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Lincoln Baxter, III
>> > http://ocpsoft.com
>> > http://scrumshark.com
>> > "Keep it Simple"
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > forge-dev mailing list
>> > forge-dev@lists.jboss.org
>> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
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>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lincoln Baxter, III
>> http://ocpsoft.com
>> http://scrumshark.com
>> "Keep it Simple"
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> forge-dev mailing list
>> forge-dev@lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>>
>>
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