Right, i think that is what Thomas was suggesting - that Forge will need a much more mature plug-in manager that address versioning, dependencies, marketing, etc. soon.

On May 31, 2012, at 3:56 AM, Koen Aers wrote:

Hi Lincoln,

Plugin dependencies could become a reality very soon. Imagine a plugin that adds a facet to a project that is being used by yet another plugin…

Cheers,
Koen

Op 31-mei-2012, om 08:30 heeft Lincoln Baxter, III het volgende geschreven:

Ah, you were talking about eclipse. Yes, this makes sense. It's painful. I was confused because Forge currently doesn't have any plugin dependencies.

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:22 AM, Thomas Frühbeck <fruehbeck@aon.at> wrote:
Lincoln,
are you one of those lucky guys who don't have to hassle regularly with incompatible plugins in Eclipse?
Just a hint:
    - I tried to install JBoss Tools 32bit into classic Eclipse 32bit on Win7 - it failed in the middle of installing ???
    - SVN: there are two prominent plugins, incompatible, one looking half way like the other but handling is very different in the hard cases, PITA from start to end, I see myself reverting regularly to the command line
    - for some time recently I couldn't update my m2e plugin because it carried a dependency to a something in version 1.1 which was not released yet ???

Have a look at the different flavors Eclipse IDE bundles - to me the main reason for those is: plug-in (inter-) dependencies and plug-in management.
I don't want to complain, but to me these are the everyday problems I face _after_ I told my boss that the fix xxx will only take an hour :-/ (The fix itself may take 5 minutes, the rest of the day it will take to get the infrastructure of the project up and running again.)

And then we are programmers open for the newest, latest, greatest. And of course any author of a plugin would want his customers to pick up the new functionality ASAP.
So I think one core features is a stable, manageable plugin life cycle.

Thomas

Am 31.05.2012 07:40, schrieb Lincoln Baxter, III:
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Burr Sutter <bsutter@redhat.com> wrote:
Well said Thomas - I am a great "dumb user" and plug-in dependencies drive me nuts.

What do you mean by plug-in dependencies? What drives you nuts?
 



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