De: "Thomas Heute" <theute(a)redhat.com&gt; Para: "Discussions around Hawkular development" <hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; Enviados: Viernes, 27 de Mayo 2016 11:11:19 Asunto: Re: [Hawkular-dev] BTM or not BTM, that is the question I would favor a renaming to "Hawkular <Something>" if we had an idea for a name that encapsulate the 3 notions... (I don't). I agree that BTM is confusing now. On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Gary Brown < gbrown(a)redhat.com > wrote: Hi all As discussed in the recent blog (and demo), Hawkular BTM now provides Application Performance Management (APM), Distributed Tracing (DT) and Business Transaction Management (BTM). The project was initially started to address the third area, hence being called BTM - however BTM requires the collection of the information used to provide APM and DT - and providing those other views on the information is useful to users. Due to the wider scope, just wondering whether the BTM name is now misleading. If a project component rename was considered a good idea, then now would probably be the best time to do it, before getting close to a stable 1.0 version? So two questions: 1) Is a component rename a good idea? 2) If so, any suggestions for a name, either some generic term that encapsulates APM, DT and BTM - or alternatively a completely unrelated name (but then it would not follow the pattern used by other Hawkular components). Regards Gary _______________________________________________ hawkular-dev mailing list hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev _______________________________________________ hawkular-dev mailing list hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev

Extracting some ideas from MiQ. They uses the term "Performace" as a wider concept that is focus in the health of the system. So how it sounds - Hawkular App Performance - Hawkular Business Performance ? ----- Mensaje original ----- > De: "Thomas Heute" <theute(a)redhat.com&gt; > Para: "Discussions around Hawkular development" > <hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; > Enviados: Viernes, 27 de Mayo 2016 11:11:19 > Asunto: Re: [Hawkular-dev] BTM or not BTM, that is the question > > I would favor a renaming to "Hawkular <Something>" if we had an idea for a > name that encapsulate the 3 notions... (I don't). I agree that BTM is > confusing now. > > On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Gary Brown < gbrown(a)redhat.com > wrote: > > > Hi all > > As discussed in the recent blog (and demo), Hawkular BTM now provides > Application Performance Management (APM), Distributed Tracing (DT) and > Business Transaction Management (BTM). > > The project was initially started to address the third area, hence being > called BTM - however BTM requires the collection of the information used to > provide APM and DT - and providing those other views on the information is > useful to users. > > Due to the wider scope, just wondering whether the BTM name is now > misleading. If a project component rename was considered a good idea, then > now would probably be the best time to do it, before getting close to a > stable 1.0 version? > > So two questions: > > 1) Is a component rename a good idea? > > 2) If so, any suggestions for a name, either some generic term that > encapsulates APM, DT and BTM - or alternatively a completely unrelated name > (but then it would not follow the pattern used by other Hawkular > components). > > > Regards > Gary > _______________________________________________ > hawkular-dev mailing list > hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > hawkular-dev mailing list > hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev > _______________________________________________ hawkular-dev mailing list hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev

Hawkular App Insight or shorter Hawkular Insight.

side note "App" sounds less enterprisy to me than "Application"

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Gary Brown < gbrown(a)redhat.com > wrote: Was looking at the wikipedia page for APM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_performance_management Their definition (conceptual framework) includes user defined 'business transactions' as well, which fits with the project - so possibly Hawkular APM. Although if inclusion of 'performance' maybe indicates too much of an IT tool, rather than a tool for IT and Business, then possibly Hawkular App Manager? ----- Original Message ----- > Extracting some ideas from MiQ. > > They uses the term "Performace" as a wider concept that is focus in the > health of the system. > > So how it sounds > > - Hawkular App Performance > - Hawkular Business Performance ? > > > > ----- Mensaje original ----- > > De: "Thomas Heute" < theute(a)redhat.com > > > Para: "Discussions around Hawkular development" > > < hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > > Enviados: Viernes, 27 de Mayo 2016 11:11:19 > > Asunto: Re: [Hawkular-dev] BTM or not BTM, that is the question > > > > I would favor a renaming to "Hawkular <Something>" if we had an idea for > > a > > name that encapsulate the 3 notions... (I don't). I agree that BTM is > > confusing now. > > > > On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Gary Brown < gbrown(a)redhat.com > wrote: > > > > > > Hi all > > > > As discussed in the recent blog (and demo), Hawkular BTM now provides > > Application Performance Management (APM), Distributed Tracing (DT) and > > Business Transaction Management (BTM). > > > > The project was initially started to address the third area, hence being > > called BTM - however BTM requires the collection of the information used > > to > > provide APM and DT - and providing those other views on the information > > is > > useful to users. > > > > Due to the wider scope, just wondering whether the BTM name is now > > misleading. If a project component rename was considered a good idea, > > then > > now would probably be the best time to do it, before getting close to a > > stable 1.0 version? > > > > So two questions: > > > > 1) Is a component rename a good idea? > > > > 2) If so, any suggestions for a name, either some generic term that > > encapsulates APM, DT and BTM - or alternatively a completely unrelated > > name > > (but then it would not follow the pattern used by other Hawkular > > components). > > > > > > Regards > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > > hawkular-dev mailing list > > hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hawkular-dev mailing list > > hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > hawkular-dev mailing list > hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev > _______________________________________________ hawkular-dev mailing list hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev _______________________________________________ hawkular-dev mailing list hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev

2016-05-27 11:07 GMT+02:00 Gary Brown <gbrown(a)redhat.com&gt;: > 1) Is a component rename a good idea? > I believe so. > > 2) If so, any suggestions for a name, either some generic term that > encapsulates APM, DT and BTM - or alternatively a completely unrelated name > (but then it would not follow the pattern used by other Hawkular > components). To me Hawkular APM would be good (in long and short form) _______________________________________________ hawkular-dev mailing list hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev

----- Original Message ----- > What about: > > Hawkular Application Analytics: hawkular-app-analytics (It's part of the APM) > The fact that it is part of the conceptual framework definition for APM, along with Business Transactions, makes a more compelling case to use APM :) I think it also means we could explore more of the analytics angle in the future. But if we were to use the analytics name in the project title, it would be as limiting/misleading as the BTM name has turned out to be. > Pavol > > On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Thomas Segismont < tsegismo(a)redhat.com > > wrote: > > > > > > 2016-05-27 11:07 GMT+02:00 Gary Brown < gbrown(a)redhat.com > : > > > 1) Is a component rename a good idea? > > I believe so. > > > > 2) If so, any suggestions for a name, either some generic term that > encapsulates APM, DT and BTM - or alternatively a completely unrelated name > (but then it would not follow the pattern used by other Hawkular > components). > > To me Hawkular APM would be good (in long and short form) > > _______________________________________________ > hawkular-dev mailing list > hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > hawkular-dev mailing list > hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev > _______________________________________________ hawkular-dev mailing list hawkular-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkular-dev

1) Is a component rename a good idea?

2) If so, any suggestions for a name, either some generic term that encapsulates APM, DT and BTM - or alternatively a completely unrelated name (but then it would not follow the pattern used by other Hawkular components).