11:43 a.m.
Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 has been released. Please see
http://in.relation.to/12153.lace for details.
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Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org>
Hibernate.org
10:55 a.m.
Bugger, this was released hours before I committed the Infinispan cache
provider :(
Steve, let's catch up before next 3.5 release in order to figure out
what's needed to make Infinispan the default cache provider. Do you make
such decision based on any performance test or the configuration itself?
My aim is to make Infinispan the best 2nd level cache provider out there.
On 08/21/2009 06:43 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 has been released. Please see
http://in.relation.to/12153.lace for details.
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Galder Zamarreño
Sr. Software Engineer
Infinispan, JBoss Cache
11:02 a.m.
We do not make any cache integration the default. There are too many
variables that have to come in to play...
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:55 +0200, Galder Zamarreno wrote:
Bugger, this was released hours before I committed the Infinispan
cache
provider :(
Steve, let's catch up before next 3.5 release in order to figure out
what's needed to make Infinispan the default cache provider. Do you make
such decision based on any performance test or the configuration itself?
My aim is to make Infinispan the best 2nd level cache provider out there.
On 08/21/2009 06:43 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
> Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 has been released. Please see
> http://in.relation.to/12153.lace for details.
>
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Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org>
Hibernate.org
10:35 a.m.
Steve, taking in account that at least in the community version you ship
a few different cache providers (correct me if I'm wrong), what about
putting something in the Hibernate docs where you recommend using
Infinispan? i.e. "Infinispan is the recommended 2LC provider"
On 08/31/2009 06:02 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
We do not make any cache integration the default. There are too
many
variables that have to come in to play...
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:55 +0200, Galder Zamarreno wrote:
> Bugger, this was released hours before I committed the Infinispan cache
> provider :(
>
> Steve, let's catch up before next 3.5 release in order to figure out
> what's needed to make Infinispan the default cache provider. Do you make
> such decision based on any performance test or the configuration itself?
> My aim is to make Infinispan the best 2nd level cache provider out there.
>
> On 08/21/2009 06:43 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
>> Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 has been released. Please see
>> http://in.relation.to/12153.lace for details.
>>
>
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Galder Zamarreño
Sr. Software Engineer
Infinispan, JBoss Cache
11:42 a.m.
New subject: [infinispan-dev] Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 released
I'd like to see Infinispan as default cache provider, AFAIK ehcache is
the default now.
IMHO the default is to some extend a recommendation to the users, at
least that's
how I perceived it when I was new to hibernate: "if they have chosen
it, it must be good".
It would need however to be able to work at least in single-vm mode
without configuration,
to keep it as simple as possible for beginners.
2009/9/9 Galder Zamarreno <galder.zamarreno(a)redhat.com>:
Steve, taking in account that at least in the community version you
ship
a few different cache providers (correct me if I'm wrong), what about
putting something in the Hibernate docs where you recommend using
Infinispan? i.e. "Infinispan is the recommended 2LC provider"
On 08/31/2009 06:02 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
> We do not make any cache integration the default. There are too many
> variables that have to come in to play...
>
> On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:55 +0200, Galder Zamarreno wrote:
>> Bugger, this was released hours before I committed the Infinispan cache
>> provider :(
>>
>> Steve, let's catch up before next 3.5 release in order to figure out
>> what's needed to make Infinispan the default cache provider. Do you make
>> such decision based on any performance test or the configuration itself?
>> My aim is to make Infinispan the best 2nd level cache provider out there.
>>
>> On 08/21/2009 06:43 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
>>> Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 has been released. Please see
>>> http://in.relation.to/12153.lace for details.
>>>
>>
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Infinispan, JBoss Cache
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11:58 a.m.
New subject: [infinispan-dev] Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 released
Again, there is no default cache provider. Users must decide which to
use.
On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 11:42 -0500, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
I'd like to see Infinispan as default cache provider, AFAIK
ehcache is
the default now.
IMHO the default is to some extend a recommendation to the users, at
least that's
how I perceived it when I was new to hibernate: "if they have chosen
it, it must be good".
It would need however to be able to work at least in single-vm mode
without configuration,
to keep it as simple as possible for beginners.
2009/9/9 Galder Zamarreno <galder.zamarreno(a)redhat.com>:
> Steve, taking in account that at least in the community version you ship
> a few different cache providers (correct me if I'm wrong), what about
> putting something in the Hibernate docs where you recommend using
> Infinispan? i.e. "Infinispan is the recommended 2LC provider"
>
> On 08/31/2009 06:02 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
>> We do not make any cache integration the default. There are too many
>> variables that have to come in to play...
>>
>> On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:55 +0200, Galder Zamarreno wrote:
>>> Bugger, this was released hours before I committed the Infinispan cache
>>> provider :(
>>>
>>> Steve, let's catch up before next 3.5 release in order to figure out
>>> what's needed to make Infinispan the default cache provider. Do you
make
>>> such decision based on any performance test or the configuration itself?
>>> My aim is to make Infinispan the best 2nd level cache provider out there.
>>>
>>> On 08/21/2009 06:43 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
>>>> Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 has been released. Please see
>>>> http://in.relation.to/12153.lace for details.
>>>>
>>>
>
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> Sr. Software Engineer
> Infinispan, JBoss Cache
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Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org>
Hibernate.org
12:04 p.m.
New subject: [infinispan-dev] Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 released
Let me say it for the third time (complementing Steve's first two).
There is no default cache provider, a user has to chose one. One of
the reasons for this move was that the JPA TCK was having issues with
cache systems and multiple initializations.
On 9 sept. 09, at 18:58, Steve Ebersole wrote:
Again, there is no default cache provider. Users must decide which
to
use.
On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 11:42 -0500, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
> I'd like to see Infinispan as default cache provider, AFAIK ehcache
> is
> the default now.
>
> IMHO the default is to some extend a recommendation to the users, at
> least that's
> how I perceived it when I was new to hibernate: "if they have chosen
> it, it must be good".
>
> It would need however to be able to work at least in single-vm mode
> without configuration,
> to keep it as simple as possible for beginners.
>
> 2009/9/9 Galder Zamarreno <galder.zamarreno(a)redhat.com>:
>> Steve, taking in account that at least in the community version
>> you ship
>> a few different cache providers (correct me if I'm wrong), what
>> about
>> putting something in the Hibernate docs where you recommend using
>> Infinispan? i.e. "Infinispan is the recommended 2LC provider"
>>
>> On 08/31/2009 06:02 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
>>> We do not make any cache integration the default. There are too
>>> many
>>> variables that have to come in to play...
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:55 +0200, Galder Zamarreno wrote:
>>>> Bugger, this was released hours before I committed the
>>>> Infinispan cache
>>>> provider :(
>>>>
>>>> Steve, let's catch up before next 3.5 release in order to figure
>>>> out
>>>> what's needed to make Infinispan the default cache provider. Do
>>>> you make
>>>> such decision based on any performance test or the configuration
>>>> itself?
>>>> My aim is to make Infinispan the best 2nd level cache provider
>>>> out there.
>>>>
>>>> On 08/21/2009 06:43 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
>>>>> Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 has been released. Please see
>>>>> http://in.relation.to/12153.lace for details.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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>> Sr. Software Engineer
>> Infinispan, JBoss Cache
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>> infinispan-dev(a)lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
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12:09 p.m.
New subject: [infinispan-dev] Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 released
2009/9/9 Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org>:
Again, there is no default cache provider. Users must decide which
to
use.
oh, I'm sorry. There are lots of articles online saying that ehcache
is the default;
did this change recently or have they always been wrong?
Wouldn't it make sense to make Infinispan the default?
On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 11:42 -0500, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
> I'd like to see Infinispan as default cache provider, AFAIK ehcache is
> the default now.
>
> IMHO the default is to some extend a recommendation to the users, at
> least that's
> how I perceived it when I was new to hibernate: "if they have chosen
> it, it must be good".
>
> It would need however to be able to work at least in single-vm mode
> without configuration,
> to keep it as simple as possible for beginners.
>
> 2009/9/9 Galder Zamarreno <galder.zamarreno(a)redhat.com>:
> > Steve, taking in account that at least in the community version you ship
> > a few different cache providers (correct me if I'm wrong), what about
> > putting something in the Hibernate docs where you recommend using
> > Infinispan? i.e. "Infinispan is the recommended 2LC provider"
> >
> > On 08/31/2009 06:02 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
> >> We do not make any cache integration the default. There are too many
> >> variables that have to come in to play...
> >>
> >> On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:55 +0200, Galder Zamarreno wrote:
> >>> Bugger, this was released hours before I committed the Infinispan cache
> >>> provider :(
> >>>
> >>> Steve, let's catch up before next 3.5 release in order to figure
out
> >>> what's needed to make Infinispan the default cache provider. Do you
make
> >>> such decision based on any performance test or the configuration
itself?
> >>> My aim is to make Infinispan the best 2nd level cache provider out
there.
> >>>
> >>> On 08/21/2009 06:43 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
> >>>> Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 has been released. Please see
> >>>> http://in.relation.to/12153.lace for details.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> > --
> > Galder Zamarreño
> > Sr. Software Engineer
> > Infinispan, JBoss Cache
> > _______________________________________________
> > infinispan-dev mailing list
> > infinispan-dev(a)lists.jboss.org
> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
> >
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Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org>
Hibernate.org
12:53 p.m.
New subject: [infinispan-dev] Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 released
On 09/09/2009 01:09 PM, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
2009/9/9 Steve Ebersole<steve(a)hibernate.org>:
> Again, there is no default cache provider. Â Users must decide which to
> use.
oh, I'm sorry. There are lots of articles online saying that ehcache
is the default;
did this change recently or have they always been wrong?
It is the *de facto* cache provider b/c it is easy to configure,
relatively fast and ships with Hibernate. People twist this to mean
that it is the default which any Hibernate user will quickly find out is
not the case.
-CB
9:41 a.m.
New subject: [infinispan-dev] Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 released
Try typing "hibernate default cache provider" into Google. ;-)
Note that the (official?) docs [1] state: "Note that versions prior to
3.2 use EhCache as the default cache provider." So perhaps most of
the hits refer to old versions of Hibernate. And if the reason for
removing a default altogether is to pass a TCK and multiple inits, we
can have a chat about this to see how we can make this work
(Infinispan has a concept of a default cache, which "just works" and
is always available, if that helps with multiple inits).
All the same, it would be good to have some sort of preference
expressed in the docs even if you don't want to ship a default, but
that's up to you guys.
Cheers
Manik
[1]
http://docs.jboss.org/hibernate/stable/core/reference/en-US/html/performa...
On 9 Sep 2009, at 18:04, Emmanuel Bernard wrote:
Let me say it for the third time (complementing Steve's first
two).
There is no default cache provider, a user has to chose one. One of
the reasons for this move was that the JPA TCK was having issues with
cache systems and multiple initializations.
On 9 sept. 09, at 18:58, Steve Ebersole wrote:
> Again, there is no default cache provider. Users must decide which
> to
> use.
>
> On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 11:42 -0500, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
>> I'd like to see Infinispan as default cache provider, AFAIK ehcache
>> is
>> the default now.
>>
>> IMHO the default is to some extend a recommendation to the users, at
>> least that's
>> how I perceived it when I was new to hibernate: "if they have chosen
>> it, it must be good".
>>
>> It would need however to be able to work at least in single-vm mode
>> without configuration,
>> to keep it as simple as possible for beginners.
>>
>> 2009/9/9 Galder Zamarreno <galder.zamarreno(a)redhat.com>:
>>> Steve, taking in account that at least in the community version
>>> you ship
>>> a few different cache providers (correct me if I'm wrong), what
>>> about
>>> putting something in the Hibernate docs where you recommend using
>>> Infinispan? i.e. "Infinispan is the recommended 2LC provider"
>>>
>>> On 08/31/2009 06:02 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
>>>> We do not make any cache integration the default. There are too
>>>> many
>>>> variables that have to come in to play...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:55 +0200, Galder Zamarreno wrote:
>>>>> Bugger, this was released hours before I committed the
>>>>> Infinispan cache
>>>>> provider :(
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve, let's catch up before next 3.5 release in order to figure
>>>>> out
>>>>> what's needed to make Infinispan the default cache provider. Do
>>>>> you make
>>>>> such decision based on any performance test or the configuration
>>>>> itself?
>>>>> My aim is to make Infinispan the best 2nd level cache provider
>>>>> out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/21/2009 06:43 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:
>>>>>> Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 has been released. Please see
>>>>>> http://in.relation.to/12153.lace for details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Galder Zamarreño
>>> Sr. Software Engineer
>>> Infinispan, JBoss Cache
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> infinispan-dev mailing list
>>> infinispan-dev(a)lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev
>>>
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