I'm going to look at improving the AS7 boot time for JPA applications as part of the AS 7.2 release (perhaps for the first 7.2 alpha if possible). I'll collect more details about the improvements that I want to make (with regard to were we are spending excessive time for deployments that need improving as I learn more about them from Jason). As part of this effort for the AS 7.2 release, I may come up with Hibernate improvements/issues (in persistenceProvider.createContainerEntityManagerFactory()) that would be good to include changes for. I think that now is a good time for a discussion of what Hiberate ORM version should be included in AS 7.2. I hope that it is a release higher than 4.1.4 (so that we can make further Hibernate ORM improvements). I think another requirement for the Hibernate release that we integrate into AS 7.2, is that it be compatible with the project stack expected to work with AS 7.2 (Seam 2.3, Spring, Infinispan 2lc integration, other Hibernate portfolio projects, customer applications). This will be important when the AS 7.2 changes are merged into a product branch. Scott