Should Hibernate 4.x use the AvailableSettings.APP_CLASSLOADER to load JDBC drivers? User forum thread https://community.jboss.org/message/723375#723375 has more details from the users asking about this. Should we create a HHH jira for this? Scott _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev

Is it koser to deploy JDBC drivers with an app? I thought the general suggestion was to make them available to the server classpath? On Tue 13 Mar 2012 06:47:14 AM CDT, Strong Liu wrote: > I think we should use classloading service to load it > > yes, a HHH would be great. > ------------------------- > Best Regards, > > Strong Liu<stliu at hibernate.org> > http://about.me/stliu/bio > > On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Scott Marlow wrote: > >> Should Hibernate 4.x use the AvailableSettings.APP_CLASSLOADER to load >> JDBC drivers? User forum thread >> https://community.jboss.org/message/723375#723375 has more details from >> the users asking about this. >> >> Should we create a HHH jira for this? >> >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> hibernate-dev mailing list >> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev -- steve(a)hibernate.org http://hibernate.org

I agree that its only a problem when the JDBC driver is not on the server classpath (AS7 has "Global Modules" that allows for that as a last resort option). I think it is always better to have the JDBC drivers be available globally. However, it doesn't matter which approach is used for these users, whether there is a global JDBC driver module that their application can depend on or the application includes the JDBC driver. They still need Hibernate to be able to see the JDBC driver. I think that these users could consider using the AS7 "Global Modules" (https://docs.jboss.org/author/display/AS71/Class+Loading+in+AS7) as a workaround but am also interested in whether Hibernate might also make changes to support this case better. Scott On 03/13/2012 08:51 AM, Steve Ebersole wrote: > Is it koser to deploy JDBC drivers with an app? I thought the general > suggestion was to make them available to the server classpath? > > > On Tue 13 Mar 2012 06:47:14 AM CDT, Strong Liu wrote: >> I think we should use classloading service to load it >> >> yes, a HHH would be great. >> ------------------------- >> Best Regards, >> >> Strong Liu<stliu at hibernate.org> >> http://about.me/stliu/bio >> >> On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Scott Marlow wrote: >> >>> Should Hibernate 4.x use the AvailableSettings.APP_CLASSLOADER to load >>> JDBC drivers? User forum thread >>> https://community.jboss.org/message/723375#723375 has more details >>> from >>> the users asking about this. >>> >>> Should we create a HHH jira for this? >>> >>> Scott >>> _______________________________________________ >>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> hibernate-dev mailing list >> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >

I created HHH-7169 for this. On 03/13/2012 11:26 AM, Steve Ebersole wrote: > Sure we can make a change like that. Like I said, just trying to make > sure this deployment setup is not frowned upon by AS. > > On Tue 13 Mar 2012 08:43:12 AM CDT, Scott Marlow wrote: >> I agree that its only a problem when the JDBC driver is not on the >> server classpath (AS7 has "Global Modules" that allows for that as a >> last resort option). >> >> I think it is always better to have the JDBC drivers be available >> globally. However, it doesn't matter which approach is used for these >> users, whether there is a global JDBC driver module that their >> application can depend on or the application includes the JDBC driver. >> They still need Hibernate to be able to see the JDBC driver. >> >> I think that these users could consider using the AS7 "Global Modules" >> (https://docs.jboss.org/author/display/AS71/Class+Loading+in+AS7) as a >> workaround but am also interested in whether Hibernate might also make >> changes to support this case better. >> >> Scott >> >> On 03/13/2012 08:51 AM, Steve Ebersole wrote: >>> Is it koser to deploy JDBC drivers with an app? I thought the general >>> suggestion was to make them available to the server classpath? >>> >>> >>> On Tue 13 Mar 2012 06:47:14 AM CDT, Strong Liu wrote: >>>> I think we should use classloading service to load it >>>> >>>> yes, a HHH would be great. >>>> ------------------------- >>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> Strong Liu<stliu at hibernate.org> >>>> http://about.me/stliu/bio >>>> >>>> On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Scott Marlow wrote: >>>> >>>>> Should Hibernate 4.x use the AvailableSettings.APP_CLASSLOADER to >>>>> load >>>>> JDBC drivers? User forum thread >>>>> https://community.jboss.org/message/723375#723375 has more details >>>>> from >>>>> the users asking about this. >>>>> >>>>> Should we create a HHH jira for this? >>>>> >>>>> Scott >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>>>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >>> >> >