*If* we are going to keep both then we need to keep them in-synch and so I'd prefer a java or command line tool that we could use to automate the process (obviously if we drop dtd for xsd this is not a concern). I had seen both Trang as well as the w3c tool. I guess more I was asking if anyone knew other/better ones. On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 10:20 +0200, Hardy Ferentschik wrote: -- Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt; http://hibernate.org

Do we offer both for 3.6 to start working out any kinks in the XSD for 4? I think that seems reasonable, provided we are good about not doing DTD changes after 3.6.0.Final. On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 09:27 -0500, Paul Benedict wrote: -- Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt; http://hibernate.org

I think of it more like deprecating the DTD in favor of XSD; but I am known for unique views on deprecation :) -- Sent from my Palm Pre steve(a)hibernate.org http://hibernate.orgOn Aug 20, 2010 10:52 AM, Paul Benedict &amp;lt;pbenedict(a)apache.org&amp;gt; wrote: Interesting. That is a good way to get the community testing it out. In fact, perhaps you can label the XSD feature as "caveat emptor" (pun) until it rolls out officially in 4.0? On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Steve Ebersole &amp;lt;steve(a)hibernate.org&amp;gt; wrote: Do we offer both for 3.6 to start working out any kinks in the XSD for 4? &nbsp;I think that seems reasonable, provided we are good about not doing DTD changes after 3.6.0.Final. On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 09:27 -0500, Paul Benedict wrote: &gt; I don't vote for keeping them in sync. DTDs can't compete with the &gt; validation of XSD. I would favor making this a 4.0 feature. &gt; &gt; Paul &gt; &gt; On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Steve Ebersole &amp;lt;steve(a)hibernate.org&amp;gt; &gt; wrote: &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; *If* we are going to keep both then we need to keep them &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; in-synch and so &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I'd prefer a java or command line tool that we could use to &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; automate the &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; process (obviously if we drop dtd for xsd this is not a &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; concern). &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I had seen both Trang as well as the w3c tool. &nbsp;I guess more I &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; was &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; asking if anyone knew other/better ones. &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 10:20 +0200, Hardy Ferentschik wrote: &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:07:31 +0200, Steve Ebersole &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &amp;lt;steve(a)hibernate.org&amp;gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; wrote: &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &gt; Any objections to either converting to XSD completely or &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; publishing in &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &gt; both formats? &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; +1 for XSD only. Not sure if there is any use in keeping the &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; DTD. &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &gt; Anyone recommend a good DTD -&gt; XSD tool? &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; Oxygen can do it. That would be my first pick to try with. &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; Otherwise this might help - &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1510126/free-dtd-to-xsd-conversion-uti... &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; --Hardy &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -- &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Steve Ebersole &amp;lt;steve(a)hibernate.org&amp;gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; http://hibernate.org &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; _______________________________________________ &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; hibernate-dev mailing list &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev &gt; -- Steve Ebersole &amp;lt;steve(a)hibernate.org&amp;gt; http://hibernate.org