Not sure if that was the case in 2007 Anyway, I always try to be respectful on any issue where submitter gives an extensive set of information... The test is just a formal representation of an issue, for me, the reproducible example is worth the same. But I am not Hibernate developer as well Nevermind, I am super-sensitive when some positive effort is ignored Sorry if my last comment sounds like a rant to you; it was more global wise