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The query you mentioned in the description has a select clause with an implicit join: "select p, p.department from Person p left outer join p.department"
The following does not use an implicit join at all:
from Cat as cat join cat.mate as mate left join cat.kittens as kitten
If there is a problem with the results returned from the above query, then I doubt it is related to your original issue (referring to an implicit join + an outer join on the same association).
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