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From: "Brian Stansberry" <brian.stansberry@redhat.com>
To: jboss-as7-dev@lists.jboss.org
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:52:40 AM
Subject: Re: [jboss-as7-dev] JMX [was: Dear subsystem owners/components leads ....]

What kind of extensibility are you thinking about?

I have no objection at all to the kind of simple JMX gateway resource
David describes. If someone in the community wants to contribute that,
that would be great.

I would object to it though if its presence became an excuse for
subsystems not exposing their full management API via the standard
management model. ;)

That's exactly the slippery slope I don't want us to go down!  From an Andiamo perspective, we need ONE management layer that handles everything.

Let's keep this on track.

Andy

On 8/19/11 12:02 PM, Eduardo Martins wrote:
> The JMX exposure in CLI and Web Console can be basic, like I
> mentioned, but should be easy extendable, so the community may enhance
> it, if there is interest...
>
> -- Eduardo
> ..............................................
> http://emmartins.blogspot.com
> http://redhat.com/solutions/telco
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:52 PM, David M. Lloyd<david.lloyd@redhat.com>  wrote:
>> What Brian is saying is that we will not map arbitrary JMX objects to
>> the management mode.
>>
>> I think it might make sense though - eventually - to have a JMX resource
>> which has operations for calling into JMX (for open mbean types only of
>> course).  Note that this would NOT be a mapping, just a single
>> management resource which is a gateway to JMX, and apart from accessing
>> attributes and invoking operations, no other JMX functions would be
>> supported (in particular, notifications).
>>
>> On 08/19/2011 11:29 AM, Eduardo Martins wrote:
>>> It was and still is my biggest complain with AS7, the support for the
>>> official java management spec is ... zero!
>>>
>>> IMHO the CLI should have an easy way to invoke a JMX operation,
>>> whatever the MBean, how hard can it be when previous AS releases had
>>> twiddle? And the JMX subsystem should have a module in the management
>>> console, providing access to the MBeans in the JVM MBean server,
>>> relying on JConsole is not good nowadays, not all OSes have it, again
>>> we already had such tool...
>>>
>>> -- Eduardo
>>> ..............................................
>>> http://emmartins.blogspot.com
>>> http://redhat.com/solutions/telco
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:35 PM,<ssilvert@redhat.com>    wrote:
>>>> Quoting Scott Marlow<smarlow@redhat.com>:
>>>>> Heiko,
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of the JPA persistence providers support JMX for administrative
>>>>> operations (Hibernate statistics for example).  Do we have any magic way
>>>>> to get JMX MBeans into the management console?  Probably will need to be
>>>>> dynamic based on deployment time processing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> Scott,
>>>>
>>>> Heiko is out for the rest of this month, so I'm not sure if he will be
>>>> able to answer.
>>>>
>>>> Off hand, I don't think we currently have an easy way to directly
>>>> access JMX from the console.  There would be a lot of low level
>>>> transport stuff to deal with that we've already worked through for the
>>>> management API.  I doubt that we would want to go and build a
>>>> transport layer for JMX as well.
>>>>
>>>> I think the better question is can we (should we) expose JMX through
>>>> the management API?  If so it would be accessible from both the
>>>> console and the CLI.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have thoughts about this?
>>>>
>>>> Stan
>>>>
>>>>
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