FYI. 

This is an opportunity for Red Hat to step up and lead the development of tooling for Java EE 8 / Jakarta EE 8. [1]

[1] https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/02/from-javaee-to-jakartaee 

Is this something we should consider for Devstudio 12 / Che ?

Nick

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Date: Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
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Hi,

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 10:49 PM, Werner Keil <werner.keil@gmail.com> wrote:
Not sure, if it'll cover all of Java EE 8 but there is a WebTools release scheduled for the annual Photon Release Train:

There basically always is, but there's not really a plan published (see same project site). I got the idea a lot of the focus at Red Hat these days is to support the AngularJS tooling that Red Hat is working on, but I'm not 100% sure.

Nick from Red Hat (https://github.com/nickboldt) is the biggest committer at the moment for WTP: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/webtools/who

This gives some overview of the activity per repo:


Specifically for Java EE the following are interesting I think:


Quickly glancing through the commits I don't think even JSF 2.2 (Java EE 7) support has yet be worked on, and certainly not JSF 2.3.

I've bcc'ed the PMC and committers Nick and John. 

@Elson, could you perhaps shed some light on the EE 7/EE 8 support plans for WTP?

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms





 


Werner



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To: ee4j-community@eclipse.org
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On 2018-02-27 12:21 PM, Alexander Salvanos wrote:
> Hi Werner, Hi Ryan,
> the effort in the design and the implementation of the Java EE 8
> technologies need an easy way to be brought to the users.
> Often it is the IDE, that helps newcomers to draw up a new application
> by using comfortable tools.
> On the job I am using Maven just like you, but I have also dived into
> the Eclipse Functionality for Java EE quite deep,
> using and explaining each wizard in detail and I must repeat my
> indication, that some significant locations are outdated
> and the users will repetitively get to deprecated outcomes. The
> changes that have to be done might be in feasable extent.
> But it would be good to know, if the WTP-team working on this project
> has a road map, that could be published officially.
> @Mike: Do you know, if the WTP-team has a release date for a Java EE 8
> compliant WTP-Plugin?

No, I am sorry but I do not. That question should be directed to the
wtp-dev or wtp-pmc lists.

> Best Regards,
> Alex
>
> Alexander Salvanos
> Goebenstr.5
> D-53113 Bonn
> Telefon: +49 (151) 24296962
 > *Gesendet:*?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 17:41 Uhr
> *Von:*?"Werner Keil" <werner.keil@gmail.com>
> *An:*?"EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community@eclipse.org>
> *Betreff:*?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
> state of Java EE 8
> Rudy,
> Auto-complete and similar features also work if all dependencies can
> be resolved with Maven/M2E/M2WTP, but WTP itself will have to support
> either Java EE 8 soon or decide to skip it and immediately go
> EE4J/JakartaEE.
> The "WYSIWYG" editors for HTML, JSP, JSF and other aspects of Java EE
> (some extensions like JBoss Tools also add extra CDI/Weld support)
> have to work with new features of Java EE 8 or the next version.
>
> Werner
>
>
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>     Alex,
>
>     Java EE 8 is no under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation. It's
>     only the
>     next generation which we heard a majority wants to be called
>     "Jakarta EE".
>     Wheter Jakarta EE will start with 1.0 or 9.0 I guess that is up to
>     the EE4J
>     PMC or similar bodies, including the yet to be fully formed
>     EE.next WG.
>
>     If you build your Java EE apps with Maven or Gradle then it should
>     not be a
>     problem in most IDEs.
>     You may have to retrieve a rather large (several hundred MB in
>     most cases)
>     app server distro for Payara 5 or Wildfly 12 Beta, but then it hardly
>     matters which IDE you use. And you can use all the Java EE 8
>     features each
>     of the containers already supports.
>
>     Werner
>
>
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>     > Hi Alexander,
 >     >? Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
>     for Java EE.
>     > Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript is
>     absolutely
>     > abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many years now. I
>     would raise
>     > this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime recommend
>     checking out
>     > either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give Java EE
>     training classes
>     > at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and includes GlassFish
>     > (integrated).
>     >
 >     >? Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to
>     be going
>     > pretty well.
>     >
>     >? Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.
>     >
>     > -Ryan
>     >
>     > > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos
>     <salvanos@gmx.de <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> wrote:
>     > >
>     > > Dear Colleagues,
>     > >
>     > > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse
>     Oxygen) is
>     > still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
>     > > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
>     > > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
>     > > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean
>     package" way is
>     > offered.
>     > > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are
>     been offered
>     > in older versions.
>     > > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
>     not only
>     > does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
>     > > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
>     widely used
>     > IDE for Java EE.
>     > >
>     > > Best Regards,
>     > > Alex
>     > >
>     > > Alexander Salvanos
>     > > Goebenstr.5
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>     > While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent
>     support in
>     > the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of
>     Jakarata EE for
>     > the reasons stated.
>     > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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>     Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still
>     > behind the current state of Java EE 8
>     > Hi Ryan,
>     >
>     > ?
>     >
>     > thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ
>     as the IDE
>     > for the consulters.
>     >
>     > Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from
>     the public
>     > sector and cannot buy the expensive license.
>     >
>     > NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were
>     having
>     > integrating our server.
>     >
>     > However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in
>     the market
>     > by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers.
>     >
>     > This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year
>     by the
>     > Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany.
>     >
>     > And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse
>     Foundation, it
>     > would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the
>     Eclipse IDE.
>     >
>     > ?
>     >
>     > Kind Regards,
>     >
>     > Alex
>     >
>     > ?
>     >
>     >
>     > ?
>     >
>     > Gesendet:?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr
>     >
>     > Von:?"Ryan Cuprak" <rcuprak@gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com>>
>     >
>     > An:?"EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community@eclipse.org
 >     <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>>

>     >
>     > Betreff:?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the
>     current state of
>     > Java EE 8
>     >
>     >
>     > Hi Alexander,
>     >
>     > ?Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
>     for Java EE.
>     > Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript
>     > is?absolutely?abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many
>     years now. I
>     > would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime
>     recommend
>     > checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give
>     Java EE
>     > training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and
>     includes
>     > GlassFish (integrated).?
>     >
>     > ?
>     >
>     > ?Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to
>     be going
>     > pretty well.?
>     >
>     > ?
>     >
>     > ?Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.?
>     >
>     > ?
>     >
>     > -Ryan
>     >
>     > ?
>     >
>     >
>     > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos <salvanos@gmx.de
>     <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> wrote:
>     > ?
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Dear Colleagues,
>     >
>     > ?
>     >
>     > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse
>     Oxygen) is
>     > still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
>     >
>     > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
>     >
>     > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
>     >
>     > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean package"
>     way is
>     > offered.
>     >
>     > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are been
>     offered
>     > in older versions.
>     >
>     > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
>     not only
>     > does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
>     >
>     > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
>     widely used IDE
>     > for Java EE.
>     >
>     > ?
>     >
>     > Best Regards,
>     >
>     > Alex
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Alexander Salvanos
>     >
>     > Goebenstr.5
>     >
>     > D-53113 Bonn
>     >
>     > Telefon: +49 (151) 24296962
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>     Werner,
>
>     Correct that you mention that everything can be used with Maven.
>     But the
>     purpose of the IDE should be that it helps you (autocomplete, indicate
>     errors, etc ...) coding your app. When eclipse IDE is not updated
>     to Java
>     EE 8 (or Jakarta EE) then I see no point in using it (as it will
>     slow me
>     down!).
>
>     Updating Eclipse IDE should receive the highest priority (although
>     I'm an
>     IntelliJ fan and probably will not switch)
>
>     Rudy
>
>     On 27 February 2018 at 15:49, Werner Keil <werner.keil@gmail.com
 >     <mailto:werner.keil@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     > Alex,
>     >
>     > Java EE 8 is no under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation. It's
>     only the
>     > next generation which we heard a majority wants to be called
>     "Jakarta EE".
>     > Wheter Jakarta EE will start with 1.0 or 9.0 I guess that is up
>     to the EE4J
>     > PMC or similar bodies, including the yet to be fully formed
>     EE.next WG.
>     >
>     > If you build your Java EE apps with Maven or Gradle then it
>     should not be
>     > a problem in most IDEs.
>     > You may have to retrieve a rather large (several hundred MB in
>     most cases)
>     > app server distro for Payara 5 or Wildfly 12 Beta, but then it
>     hardly
>     > matters which IDE you use. And you can use all the Java EE 8
>     features each
>     > of the containers already supports.
>     >
>     > Werner
>     >
>     >
>     > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:55 PM,
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 >     >>? ? 1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>     >>? ? ? ?(Ryan Cuprak)
>     >>? ? 2. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>     >>? ? ? ?(Alexander Salvanos)
>     >>? ? 3. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>     >>? ? ? ?(reza_rahman)
>     >>
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>     >> Message: 1
>     >> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:45:37 -0500
 >     >> From: Ryan Cuprak <rcuprak@gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com>>
>     >> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@eclipse.org
 >     <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>>
>     >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
 >     >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
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>     >>
>     >> Hi Alexander,
 >     >>? Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
>     for Java
>     >> EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript is
>     >> absolutely abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many
>     years now. I
>     >> would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime
>     recommend
>     >> checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give
>     Java EE
>     >> training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free
>     and includes
>     >> GlassFish (integrated).
>     >>
 >     >>? Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks
>     to be going
>     >> pretty well.
>     >>
 >     >>? Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.
>     >>
>     >> -Ryan
>     >>
>     >> > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos
 >     <salvanos@gmx.de <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>>

>     >> wrote:
>     >> >
>     >> > Dear Colleagues,
>     >> >
>     >> > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse
>     Oxygen)
>     >> is still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
>     >> > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
>     >> > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
>     >> > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean
>     package" way is
>     >> offered.
>     >> > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are been
>     >> offered in older versions.
>     >> > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
>     not only
>     >> does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
>     >> > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
>     widely used
>     >> IDE for Java EE.
>     >> >
>     >> > Best Regards,
>     >> > Alex
>     >> >
>     >> > Alexander Salvanos
>     >> > Goebenstr.5
>     >> > D-53113 Bonn
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>     >> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:29:29 +0100
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>     >> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:55:48 -0500
>     >> From: reza_rahman <reza_rahman@lycos.com
 >     <mailto:reza_rahman@lycos.com>>
>     >> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community@eclipse.org
 >     <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>>
>     >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
 >     >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
>     >> Message-ID:
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>     <mailto:mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community@eclipse.org>>
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>     >>
>     >> While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent
>     support in
>     >> the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of
>     Jakarata EE for
>     >> the reasons stated.
>     >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>     >> -------- Original message --------From: Alexander Salvanos <
 >     >> salvanos@gmx.de <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> Date: 2/27/18? 5:29
>     AM? (GMT-05:00) To:
>     >> ee4j-community@eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>

>     Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is
>     >> still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>     >> Hi Ryan,
>     >>
>     >> ?
>     >>
>     >> thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ
>     as the IDE
>     >> for the consulters.
>     >>
>     >> Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from the
>     >> public sector and cannot buy the expensive license.
>     >>
>     >> NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were
>     having
>     >> integrating our server.
>     >>
>     >> However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in
>     the market
>     >> by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers.
>     >>
>     >> This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year
>     by the
>     >> Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany.
>     >>
>     >> And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse
>     Foundation, it
>     >> would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the
>     Eclipse IDE.
>     >>
>     >> ?
>     >>
>     >> Kind Regards,
>     >>
>     >> Alex
>     >>
>     >> ?
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> ?
>     >>
>     >> Gesendet:?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr
>     >>
>     >> Von:?"Ryan Cuprak" <rcuprak@gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com>>
>     >>
>     >> An:?"EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community@eclipse.org
 >     <mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org>>

>     >>
>     >> Betreff:?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the
>     current state
>     >> of Java EE 8
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Hi Alexander,
>     >>
>     >> ?Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
>     for Java
>     >> EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript
>     >> is?absolutely?abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many
>     years now. I
>     >> would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime
>     recommend
>     >> checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give
>     Java EE
>     >> training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free
>     and includes
>     >> GlassFish (integrated).?
>     >>
>     >> ?
>     >>
>     >> ?Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks
>     to be going
>     >> pretty well.?
>     >>
>     >> ?
>     >>
>     >> ?Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.?
>     >>
>     >> ?
>     >>
>     >> -Ryan
>     >>
>     >> ?
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos
>     <salvanos@gmx.de <mailto:salvanos@gmx.de>> wrote:
>     >> ?
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Dear Colleagues,
>     >>
>     >> ?
>     >>
>     >> the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse
>     Oxygen) is
>     >> still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
>     >>
>     >> This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
>     >>
>     >> Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
>     >>
>     >> E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean
>     package" way is
>     >> offered.
>     >>
>     >> When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are
>     been offered
>     >> in older versions.
>     >>
>     >> We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
>     not only
>     >> does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
>     >>
>     >> but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
>     widely used
>     >> IDE for Java EE.
>     >>
>     >> ?
>     >>
>     >> Best Regards,
>     >>
>     >> Alex
>

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