Just to be clear... Is the feedback coming from CUSTOMERS or from community? If the latter, then maybe we can remove it since we don't necessarily derive customer value from it.

(I realize community is important, but maybe we need to get them to step up and contribute to a performant WebKit version?)

On Sep 28, 2016 1:24 PM, "Alexey Kazakov" <alkazako@redhat.com> wrote:

Adding jbosstools-dev

Yes, Ilya is correct. We tried to remove VPE and Xulrunner but got immediate feedback from users that it's an important feature. Does having VPE/Xulrunner in devstudio causes any problem? If so please speak up. Otherwise we are planing to continue to include VPE and Xulrunner in JBossTools/devstudio.

Thanks.

On 09/28/2016 09:22 AM, Ilya Buziuk wrote:

CC: Max Andersen & Alexey Kazakov

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Ilya Buziuk <ibuziuk@redhat.com> wrote:

Actually, we planned to remove xulrunner and deprecate VPE some time ago and leave only VPV as a WYSIWYG html editor. However, as soon as we gave a shout out about this on tools.jboss.org the first comment was:

Nice. The reason I used JBoss Tools was the Visual Editor for JSF, especially for the Visual parts, which was not perfect but was good enough to have it. Will you have alternatives for that ? [1]

It was decided that we need to slow down with this process. I can not say if it is a high time for doing this assuming that some people actually use it. Furthermore, some people treat it as a killer feature for JSF that only one IDE is providing. So, we need to think twice before doing it.

[1] http://tools.jboss.org/blog/2015-04-02-devstudio-8.1.0.GA-for-luna.html

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Nick Boldt <nboldt@redhat.com> wrote:

On the Eclipse team call today, the question of why we need Xulrunner
was brought up again.

As I understand it, the only reason we still include Xulrunner is for
the Visual Page Editor. But Alex pointed out today that Xulrunner only
works on GTK2, which means a user has to explicity disable GTK3 in
order for Xulrunner to be used, as these days GTK3 is the default OOTB
implementation on the platforms we support (Fedora 24/25, RHEL7,
etc.).

So... is it time to remove Xulrunner from the Devstudio dependencies,
if most people are not even seeing it used?

Alex suggested it might be useful to set up a call to discuss this in
more depth. Is there a good time tomorrow or Friday you guys would
like to meet to discuss this, if it can't be resolved asynchronously
via email?

Whatever we decide here, we should make sure we announce this on the
jbosstools-dev@ list.

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