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Improved participant UI
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Key: JBPM-1924
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-1924
Project: JBoss jBPM
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public (Everyone can see)
Components: Console
Reporter: Thomas Diesler
Priority: Critical
* Participant UI: A production-ready inbox & task-form display solution, with a
full-set of form controls, editable CSS, etc. Two Goldman CTOs felt this was the
absolute highest priority to resolve ASAP (I received the same feedback from them in
August). They have already made attempts to modify the current Admin Console
(JSF/Gravel-based) and intend to tweak the GWT-based console. However, the
Eclipse-tooling Visual Task Form Designer is relatively weak, it doesn't allow me to
easily express things like Drop-Down list, numeric input only, check-box, pop-up calendar
for date, etc. This UI is a process participants (e.g. clerk in the office) primary UI,
their view of the world, they see all their own and their team's tasks (note: the
current console shows all tasks for everybody, not just the logged in user). The current
UI only uses inputText (single-line edits). The JBoss logo needs to be customizable (I
want it to say Goldman in that upper left corner)
I'll attempt to mark up some changes to the current console so you get a feel for
their specific feedback. It should be noted that Amentra also felt this was a mandatory
feature before we can call ourselves a BPM product.
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Ronald van Kuijk commented on JBPM-1924:
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Thomas,
The participant production-ready forms can be created with JBoss tools.... they have a
palet for many components, jBPM should not provide that themselves. The basic form,
generated by jBPM can be adapted. I've done it. The 'visual task form
designer'? What is that? I have no clue... jBPM does not provide anything visual for
this at all... so to say it is relatively weak is to much credit ;-). All changes can be
deployed in the par file... so....
The JSF console had indeed the problem that it showed all tasks. I fixed that once, but
maybe something got lost in the process. I'll have a look again.
The JBoss logo is customizable... it's an image... replace background.gif in the
images directory in the webapp... We can also change it that it is customizable via css or
whatever... Or do I miss something here?
And critical??? hmmmm... strange report
Improved participant UI
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Key: JBPM-1924
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-1924
Project: JBoss jBPM
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: Console
Reporter: Thomas Diesler
Priority: Critical
* Participant UI: A production-ready inbox & task-form display solution, with a
full-set of form controls, editable CSS, etc. Two Goldman CTOs felt this was the
absolute highest priority to resolve ASAP (I received the same feedback from them in
August). They have already made attempts to modify the current Admin Console
(JSF/Gravel-based) and intend to tweak the GWT-based console. However, the
Eclipse-tooling Visual Task Form Designer is relatively weak, it doesn't allow me to
easily express things like Drop-Down list, numeric input only, check-box, pop-up calendar
for date, etc. This UI is a process participants (e.g. clerk in the office) primary UI,
their view of the world, they see all their own and their team's tasks (note: the
current console shows all tasks for everybody, not just the logged in user). The current
UI only uses inputText (single-line edits). The JBoss logo needs to be customizable (I
want it to say Goldman in that upper left corner)
I'll attempt to mark up some changes to the current console so you get a feel for
their specific feedback. It should be noted that Amentra also felt this was a mandatory
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Burr Sutter commented on JBPM-1924:
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Hello Ronald,
There is a "visual form designer" in JBoss Tools that almost works well with
jBPM's generated task forms, ideally the generation logic for task forms would be much
more clever, using specialized form input types (e.g. drop-down list box for an
enumeration), it shouldn't have to be "adapted" for simple applications.
Concerning the logo - I think it is bundled into the .WAR file and I (the business
analyst) can't easily crack open, fix and repackage a .war file.
I have found that the current JSF-based console has been the single most complained about
item in jBPM. Many folks who approach a BPM problem and are looking for a solution (e.g.
jBPM) are not too interested in expending lots of hours of highly talented (and costly)
Java programming time to get a prototype created, tested, re-worked (rinse, wash, repeat)
and then finally to production. This means the tooling has to improve so that it makes
better decisions about its code generation, allow for more selections in the property
sheets, better usability overall. Currently the JBoss Tools task form generation and
visual designer do not work in concert, nor is the Admin console ready to be put in front
of an end-user so he/she can work on his/her tasks (e.g. review & approve expense
reports).
Another way to say all of this is...focus more on the business analyst, give him/her
better tools so they can do more for themselves and bypass the Java propeller heads.
Improved participant UI
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Key: JBPM-1924
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-1924
Project: JBoss jBPM
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: Console
Reporter: Thomas Diesler
Priority: Critical
* Participant UI: A production-ready inbox & task-form display solution, with a
full-set of form controls, editable CSS, etc. Two Goldman CTOs felt this was the
absolute highest priority to resolve ASAP (I received the same feedback from them in
August). They have already made attempts to modify the current Admin Console
(JSF/Gravel-based) and intend to tweak the GWT-based console. However, the
Eclipse-tooling Visual Task Form Designer is relatively weak, it doesn't allow me to
easily express things like Drop-Down list, numeric input only, check-box, pop-up calendar
for date, etc. This UI is a process participants (e.g. clerk in the office) primary UI,
their view of the world, they see all their own and their team's tasks (note: the
current console shows all tasks for everybody, not just the logged in user). The current
UI only uses inputText (single-line edits). The JBoss logo needs to be customizable (I
want it to say Goldman in that upper left corner)
I'll attempt to mark up some changes to the current console so you get a feel for
their specific feedback. It should be noted that Amentra also felt this was a mandatory
feature before we can call ourselves a BPM product.
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Thomas Diesler updated JBPM-1924:
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Description:
* Participant UI: A production-ready inbox & task-form display solution, with a
full-set of form controls, editable CSS, etc. Two CTOs felt this was the absolute
highest priority to resolve ASAP (I received the same feedback from them in August).
They have already made attempts to modify the current Admin Console (JSF/Gravel-based) and
intend to tweak the GWT-based console. However, the Eclipse-tooling Visual Task Form
Designer is relatively weak, it doesn't allow me to easily express things like
Drop-Down list, numeric input only, check-box, pop-up calendar for date, etc. This UI is a
process participants (e.g. clerk in the office) primary UI, their view of the world, they
see all their own and their team's tasks (note: the current console shows all tasks
for everybody, not just the logged in user). The current UI only uses inputText
(single-line edits). The JBoss logo needs to be customizable (I want it to say Goldman in
that upper left corner)
I'll attempt to mark up some changes to the current console so you get a feel for
their specific feedback. It should be noted that Amentra also felt this was a mandatory
feature before we can call ourselves a BPM product.
No Java Coding, just pointing & clicking.
was:
* Participant UI: A production-ready inbox & task-form display solution, with a
full-set of form controls, editable CSS, etc. Two Goldman CTOs felt this was the
absolute highest priority to resolve ASAP (I received the same feedback from them in
August). They have already made attempts to modify the current Admin Console
(JSF/Gravel-based) and intend to tweak the GWT-based console. However, the
Eclipse-tooling Visual Task Form Designer is relatively weak, it doesn't allow me to
easily express things like Drop-Down list, numeric input only, check-box, pop-up calendar
for date, etc. This UI is a process participants (e.g. clerk in the office) primary UI,
their view of the world, they see all their own and their team's tasks (note: the
current console shows all tasks for everybody, not just the logged in user). The current
UI only uses inputText (single-line edits). The JBoss logo needs to be customizable (I
want it to say Goldman in that upper left corner)
I'll attempt to mark up some changes to the current console so you get a feel for
their specific feedback. It should be noted that Amentra also felt this was a mandatory
feature before we can call ourselves a BPM product.
No Java Coding, just pointing & clicking.
Improved participant UI
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Key: JBPM-1924
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-1924
Project: JBoss jBPM
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: Console
Reporter: Thomas Diesler
Priority: Critical
* Participant UI: A production-ready inbox & task-form display solution, with a
full-set of form controls, editable CSS, etc. Two CTOs felt this was the absolute
highest priority to resolve ASAP (I received the same feedback from them in August).
They have already made attempts to modify the current Admin Console (JSF/Gravel-based) and
intend to tweak the GWT-based console. However, the Eclipse-tooling Visual Task Form
Designer is relatively weak, it doesn't allow me to easily express things like
Drop-Down list, numeric input only, check-box, pop-up calendar for date, etc. This UI is a
process participants (e.g. clerk in the office) primary UI, their view of the world, they
see all their own and their team's tasks (note: the current console shows all tasks
for everybody, not just the logged in user). The current UI only uses inputText
(single-line edits). The JBoss logo needs to be customizable (I want it to say Goldman in
that upper left corner)
I'll attempt to mark up some changes to the current console so you get a feel for
their specific feedback. It should be noted that Amentra also felt this was a mandatory
feature before we can call ourselves a BPM product.
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Ronald van Kuijk commented on JBPM-1924:
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Burr,
To some extend I agree and to a larger part I don't. I have lots of practical
experience sitting fulfilling a role between/next to business analysts and 'propeller
heads' (don't sell them short please) having knowledge of both sides. We created
processes a lot more complex than review and approve expense reports, So I tend to think
I have a fairly good impression of how things can/should/won't/... work It is beyond
the scope of Jira or the forums though to comment on this. I have your email address some
I think so I'll send you a private email. I hope you don't mind (I'll cc Tom
Baeyens so he is aware of my response)
Improved participant UI
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Key: JBPM-1924
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-1924
Project: JBoss jBPM
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: Console
Reporter: Thomas Diesler
Priority: Critical
* Participant UI: A production-ready inbox & task-form display solution, with a
full-set of form controls, editable CSS, etc. Two CTOs felt this was the absolute
highest priority to resolve ASAP (I received the same feedback from them in August).
They have already made attempts to modify the current Admin Console (JSF/Gravel-based) and
intend to tweak the GWT-based console. However, the Eclipse-tooling Visual Task Form
Designer is relatively weak, it doesn't allow me to easily express things like
Drop-Down list, numeric input only, check-box, pop-up calendar for date, etc. This UI is a
process participants (e.g. clerk in the office) primary UI, their view of the world, they
see all their own and their team's tasks (note: the current console shows all tasks
for everybody, not just the logged in user). The current UI only uses inputText
(single-line edits). The JBoss logo needs to be customizable (I want it to say Goldman in
that upper left corner)
I'll attempt to mark up some changes to the current console so you get a feel for
their specific feedback. It should be noted that Amentra also felt this was a mandatory
feature before we can call ourselves a BPM product.
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Heiko Braun updated JBPM-1924:
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Fix Version/s: GWT Console 1.0.0 Beta3
(was: GWT Console 1.0.x)
Assignee: Heiko Braun
Improved participant UI
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Key: JBPM-1924
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-1924
Project: JBoss jBPM
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: Console
Reporter: Thomas Diesler
Assignee: Heiko Braun
Priority: Critical
Fix For: GWT Console 1.0.0 Beta3
* Participant UI: A production-ready inbox & task-form display solution, with a
full-set of form controls, editable CSS, etc. Two CTOs felt this was the absolute
highest priority to resolve ASAP (I received the same feedback from them in August).
They have already made attempts to modify the current Admin Console (JSF/Gravel-based) and
intend to tweak the GWT-based console. However, the Eclipse-tooling Visual Task Form
Designer is relatively weak, it doesn't allow me to easily express things like
Drop-Down list, numeric input only, check-box, pop-up calendar for date, etc. This UI is a
process participants (e.g. clerk in the office) primary UI, their view of the world, they
see all their own and their team's tasks (note: the current console shows all tasks
for everybody, not just the logged in user). The current UI only uses inputText
(single-line edits). The JBoss logo needs to be customizable (I want it to say Goldman in
that upper left corner)
I'll attempt to mark up some changes to the current console so you get a feel for
their specific feedback. It should be noted that Amentra also felt this was a mandatory
feature before we can call ourselves a BPM product.
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Heiko Braun updated JBPM-1924:
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Component/s: Core Engine
(was: Console)
Fix Version/s: jBPM 4.0.0.CR1
(was: GWT Console 1.0.0 Beta3)
Priority: Major (was: Critical)
Improved participant UI
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Key: JBPM-1924
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-1924
Project: JBoss jBPM
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: Core Engine
Reporter: Thomas Diesler
Assignee: Heiko Braun
Fix For: jBPM 4.0.0.CR1
* Participant UI: A production-ready inbox & task-form display solution, with a
full-set of form controls, editable CSS, etc. Two CTOs felt this was the absolute
highest priority to resolve ASAP (I received the same feedback from them in August).
They have already made attempts to modify the current Admin Console (JSF/Gravel-based) and
intend to tweak the GWT-based console. However, the Eclipse-tooling Visual Task Form
Designer is relatively weak, it doesn't allow me to easily express things like
Drop-Down list, numeric input only, check-box, pop-up calendar for date, etc. This UI is a
process participants (e.g. clerk in the office) primary UI, their view of the world, they
see all their own and their team's tasks (note: the current console shows all tasks
for everybody, not just the logged in user). The current UI only uses inputText
(single-line edits). The JBoss logo needs to be customizable (I want it to say Goldman in
that upper left corner)
I'll attempt to mark up some changes to the current console so you get a feel for
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Tom Baeyens updated JBPM-1924:
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Component/s: Console
(was: Runtime Engine)
Fix Version/s: GWT Console 1.0.0 CR1
(was: jBPM 4.0.0.CR1)
Improved participant UI
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Key: JBPM-1924
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-1924
Project: JBoss jBPM
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: Console
Reporter: Thomas Diesler
Assignee: Heiko Braun
Fix For: GWT Console 1.0.0 CR1
* Participant UI: A production-ready inbox & task-form display solution, with a
full-set of form controls, editable CSS, etc. Two CTOs felt this was the absolute
highest priority to resolve ASAP (I received the same feedback from them in August).
They have already made attempts to modify the current Admin Console (JSF/Gravel-based) and
intend to tweak the GWT-based console. However, the Eclipse-tooling Visual Task Form
Designer is relatively weak, it doesn't allow me to easily express things like
Drop-Down list, numeric input only, check-box, pop-up calendar for date, etc. This UI is a
process participants (e.g. clerk in the office) primary UI, their view of the world, they
see all their own and their team's tasks (note: the current console shows all tasks
for everybody, not just the logged in user). The current UI only uses inputText
(single-line edits). The JBoss logo needs to be customizable (I want it to say Goldman in
that upper left corner)
I'll attempt to mark up some changes to the current console so you get a feel for
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Heiko Braun updated JBPM-1924:
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Fix Version/s: GWT Console 1.0.0 GA
(was: GWT Console 1.0.0 CR1)
Improved participant UI
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Key: JBPM-1924
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-1924
Project: JBoss jBPM
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: Console
Reporter: Thomas Diesler
Assignee: Heiko Braun
Fix For: GWT Console 1.0.0 GA
* Participant UI: A production-ready inbox & task-form display solution, with a
full-set of form controls, editable CSS, etc. Two CTOs felt this was the absolute
highest priority to resolve ASAP (I received the same feedback from them in August).
They have already made attempts to modify the current Admin Console (JSF/Gravel-based) and
intend to tweak the GWT-based console. However, the Eclipse-tooling Visual Task Form
Designer is relatively weak, it doesn't allow me to easily express things like
Drop-Down list, numeric input only, check-box, pop-up calendar for date, etc. This UI is a
process participants (e.g. clerk in the office) primary UI, their view of the world, they
see all their own and their team's tasks (note: the current console shows all tasks
for everybody, not just the logged in user). The current UI only uses inputText
(single-line edits). The JBoss logo needs to be customizable (I want it to say Goldman in
that upper left corner)
I'll attempt to mark up some changes to the current console so you get a feel for
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Heiko Braun updated JBPM-1924:
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Fix Version/s: (was: GWT Console 1.0.0 GA)
Improved participant UI
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Key: JBPM-1924
URL: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPM-1924
Project: JBoss jBPM
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: Console
Reporter: Thomas Diesler
Assignee: Heiko Braun
* Participant UI: A production-ready inbox & task-form display solution, with a
full-set of form controls, editable CSS, etc. Two CTOs felt this was the absolute
highest priority to resolve ASAP (I received the same feedback from them in August).
They have already made attempts to modify the current Admin Console (JSF/Gravel-based) and
intend to tweak the GWT-based console. However, the Eclipse-tooling Visual Task Form
Designer is relatively weak, it doesn't allow me to easily express things like
Drop-Down list, numeric input only, check-box, pop-up calendar for date, etc. This UI is a
process participants (e.g. clerk in the office) primary UI, their view of the world, they
see all their own and their team's tasks (note: the current console shows all tasks
for everybody, not just the logged in user). The current UI only uses inputText
(single-line edits). The JBoss logo needs to be customizable (I want it to say Goldman in
that upper left corner)
I'll attempt to mark up some changes to the current console so you get a feel for
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Kris Verlaenen updated JBPM-1924:
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Fix Version/s: jBPM 5.x
Improved participant UI
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Key: JBPM-1924
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBPM-1924
Project: jBPM
Issue Type: Feature Request
Security Level: Public(Everyone can see)
Components: Console
Reporter: Thomas Diesler
Assignee: Heiko Braun
Labels: customer
Fix For: jBPM 5.x
* Participant UI: A production-ready inbox & task-form display solution, with a
full-set of form controls, editable CSS, etc. Two CTOs felt this was the absolute
highest priority to resolve ASAP (I received the same feedback from them in August).
They have already made attempts to modify the current Admin Console (JSF/Gravel-based) and
intend to tweak the GWT-based console. However, the Eclipse-tooling Visual Task Form
Designer is relatively weak, it doesn't allow me to easily express things like
Drop-Down list, numeric input only, check-box, pop-up calendar for date, etc. This UI is a
process participants (e.g. clerk in the office) primary UI, their view of the world, they
see all their own and their team's tasks (note: the current console shows all tasks
for everybody, not just the logged in user). The current UI only uses inputText
(single-line edits). The JBoss logo needs to be customizable (I want it to say Goldman in
that upper left corner)
I'll attempt to mark up some changes to the current console so you get a feel for
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