On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Mark Proctor <mproctor@codehaus.org> wrote:

On 11/07/2010 23:55, Michael Neale wrote:
I think you mean gradle - but yes, that makes sense.

There were others I was fond of - buildr was one - as far as I know, the nice things about all these "alternative" tools is that they at the least reuse the maven repositories and meta data - so it isn't starting from scratch.

As a consumer of libraries, I like having declarative dependencies, no matter what my build system is, so that is a good thing.

I think the drools build is pretty much as complex as hibernate - more so even - drools has a few stand alone components that have quite fiddly build steps (which still probably aren't fully automated), things like GWT, building cut down app servers etc... so it is worth watching closely how hibernate do.

Myself - I know that MarkP has struggled for years with maven, and won most battles - so the day I see mark switch to gradle/whatever, is the day I would probably switch.

Build systems can suck time like nothing else, I've wasted so much time in the past. So in general the less time I spend working on the build the better, and at the moment it's not taking up a lot of time, so I have to get a strong itch to swap one pain for another ;)

We will be splitting up the build going forward, so we'll see how much pain we go through there and whether it creates a strong enough itch.

Mark
Maven 3 promises to be compatible - so that is an improvement over maven1 (not sure if many remember that... oh the horror).

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Mark Proctor <mproctor@codehaus.org> wrote:

I'm happy to let the hibernate people guinee pig Grails. Initially
we'll move to maven 3 (as it's backwards compatible), and for the moment
maven is still what most people are familiar with.

We'll be restructuring the build over time and if maven 3 doesn't do
what we need and/or hibernate people are reporting amazing results with
no sign of improvements to maven, then we can evaluate Grails.

Mark

On 11/07/2010 14:55, Geoffrey De Smet wrote:
> Steve makes some good, valid points on that blog about Maven 2.
> I get the feeling that Maven 3 fixes a lot of those problems and the
> maven 3.1 promises a lot too.
> At Devoxx 2009 I saw 2 presentations:
> - Gradle (the lead, forgot his name): showed a build of a one module
> project with one source file - and it was fast. All in all, Gradle felt
> like a toy (I must be wrong since the Hibernate guys are serious).
> - a Maven 3 (the lead, Jason) presentation: he basically went over all
> the things I hate about maven 2 and stated that maven 3 or 3.1 would fix
> them while remaining backward compatible. He showed a large
> multi-project build with tons of sources files and it was relatively fast.
>
> It will be very interesting to see how hibernate's experimentation with
> Gradle goes and how the maven guys react.
>
>
> Nevertheless, I am convinced that most of the problems in our build are
> fixable, by cleaning up our build:
> https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBRULES-2504
> If I get some time for that, I 'd love to pull the effort to fix those
> issues.
>
> With kind regards,
> Geoffrey De Smet
>
>
> Salaboy schreef:
>> I think that after the release it would be nice to research on this kind of things. And now if jboss has another framework that uses gradle, probably will be easier to migrate
>>
>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com
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>> On Jul 9, 2010, at 4:25, tolitius<webakaunt@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Before you move to Maven 3. There is still a chance to do the right thing:
>>>
>>> http://community.jboss.org/wiki/Gradlewhy
>>>
>>> one of the JBoss projects ( Hibernate ) already realized that. Time for
>>> Drools to do to.
>>>
>>> /Anatoly
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