On 2/10/2011 11:36 AM, Wolfgang Laun wrote:
What about these DRL CEs and CE phrases:
   forall
   from
   from collect
   from accumulate with function
   from accumulate with init/action/result

Then, some rule attributes
   no-loop
   agenda-group
   salience ( <expression> )   // not a *literal* expression

What about temporal operators and other CEP features?

And I'm not even going to be mean and discuss plugins such as user-defined evaluators
or user-defined accumulate functions.


As for DRL in XML, one might simply add JAXB annotations to the classes representing a DRL Package and its constiuents. And then marshal and schemagen. Piece of cake, theoretically ;-)

-W

That's why I said earlier that DRL2RIF should be possible and it can be a very nice work.  However, I believe  the result is not only RIF-PRD, but  maybe a mix between RIF-PRD and RIF-BLD. Checking what Edson said in an old blog post about "accumulate", or in the documentation, maybe such construct is suitable to a RIF-BLD translation.  The rule Edson exemplified in his post is "Rule: apply 10% discount to orders that include at least US$ 100,00 of toys.". He chose a nice  implementation using  accumulate. Maybe there are other solutions which does not make use of this construct.
Salience and agenda-group are discussed in the RIF-PRD doc. As for no-loop is any formal evidence that this is a necessary construct?

-Adrian Giurca



On 10 February 2011 10:21, <pdl@agh.edu.pl> wrote:
Adrian, Wolfgang, all,

I've had issues translating the RHS java code for instance (c.f. XSLT
stylesheet).

It would be nice to have the translation protocol to/from RIF provided
with the specification, at least for the main rule engines.

All the best,
Pierre

On 2/10/2011 8:07 AM, Wolfgang Laun wrote:


   On 9 February 2011 22:11, Edson Tirelli <ed.tire...@gmail.com
<mailto:ed.tire...@gmail.com>> wrote:


          Pierre,

          Good to see works like yours being done.

          Drools has an internal canonical model that we use to round
       trip rules between the syntaxes we support. The best way of
       supporting "RIF" in Drools is to simply add a parser that parses
       RIF and populates the canonical model. From that we have a DRL
       "dumper" that generates DRL, enabling the RIF->DRL translation.
       Also, if we create a RIF "dumper", one can then generate RIF rules
       from the canonical model, enabling DRL->RIF translation. That
       assumes that there is a 1-to-1 semantic mapping between RIF and
       DRL (I believe there is, but didn't checked).



   Do you mean that all of RIF can be expressed in DRL? Then I'd agree.
But you can't express all of DRL in RIF.

   -W


A translator RIF-PRD2DRL should be "conformant RIF-PRD consumer" as in the
recommendation
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-rif-prd-20100622/#Semantics-preserving_transformations>.
A translator DRL2RIF-PRD should be a "conformant RIF-PRD producer".

For example, a heuristic validation (test-based) may work in a
"round-trip" i.e. take a Drools ruleset R, do R_RIF= DRL2RIF-PRD(R) then
R1= RIF-PRD2DRL(R_RIF) and compare answers by running Drools on R and R1


When Wolfgang said that not all Drools constructs can translate to RIF-PRD
I assume he is thinking to some lets say "nonlogical" or "procedural"
Drools constructs. However, because RIF can encode any partial recursive
function, DRL2RIF should be always possible i.e. when translating a ruleset
from Drools, one may obtain not only PR rules but, in addition some RIF-BLD
rules too.

Therefore  I assume that there is  very nice work to do.

-.Adrian Giurca


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