I think I wasn't quite clear in my last email, so let me try to reformulate it:

I also gave it a try to try to do what you suggested here (http://blog.athico.com/2010/09/lazily-enabled-truth-maintenace.html), Mark, and couldn't  make it work due to the following situation:

1) Current code seems to rely on the equality map to know that a logical insert (insertLogical) for an object that has already been regularly inserted (insert) should be ignored;

2) If I apply the modifications that you suggested, from what I understood, things would start to be put in the equality map only when a logical insert is issued;

*Problem*: How would I handle the situation described in item 1, if I don't have anything in the equality map at the moment a logical insert comes in and I have to "lazily activate" TMS?

--

Moreover, I'm willing to attempt to implement the left and right un-linking and tried to start with this easier task to start to get familiar with drools-core. I already read the article you linked and your article. Would you have any document with an overview of the way drools implements rete?

Thanks in advance!

Cheers,
Leo.






On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Leonardo Gomes <leonardo.f.gomes@gmail.com> wrote:
if you look at the AbstractWorkingMemory insert method you'll see one argument is whether it's a logical insertion or not. You'll also see it check the global maintainTMS configuration and also retrieve the ObjectTypeConf. So between those things someone should be able to get it working.

Today, it enters a block where it operates on the equality map and also creates a default handle based on that TMS global option and *regardless* of whether it's a logical insert.

If I'm *not* putting things in the equality map for regular inserts, when a logical insert comes in, but there were already stated inserts, how will I know that? I would create a new handle for the logical insert and do the tms.addLogicalDependency(...), even tough there were regular inserts before and this seems to be a wrong behaviour.

Apparently, today, you can disable TMS and still use logical inserts in your drl, what, I believe, will lead to inconsistent behaviour, but you're at your own risk.

Ideas? I feel that I missed something :)

Cheers,
Leo.

P.S.: I reached the conclusions above based on the fact that LogicalAssertionTest started failing after I did the changes you suggested.

 


On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Mark Proctor <mproctor@codehaus.org> wrote:
On 15/09/2010 14:35, Michael Anstis wrote:
Is this in drools-core; or drools-compiler?

Whilst not undertaking to do the work; have a purpose to nose through the code makes understanding easier.
It's all in DroolsCore.

It's a 5 minute hack for me and then 15 minute unit writing test. But I thought I'd write it up in a hope to bring someone else into the fold, we need more help writting the core engine someone else out there must want to work on current edge engine design :)

if you look at the AbstractWorkingMemory insert method you'll see one argument is whether it's a logical insertion or not. You'll also see it check the global maintainTMS configuration and also retrieve the ObjectTypeConf. So between those things someone should be able to get it working.

Mark


On 14 September 2010 16:47, Mark Proctor <mproctor@codehaus.org> wrote:
Here is another project proposal, this time simpler. I think this one has Wolfgang's name on it ;)

http://blog.athico.com/2010/09/lazily-enabled-truth-maintenace.html

Three weeks ago I posted the project idea for "Left and Right Unlinking". So far there are no takers, so if you are interested let me know :)

In the meantime I tried to think of a simpler enhancement that we would like to see done.

At the moment Drools has a user setting "MaintainTMSOption" which can be true or false. It's a small optimisation that when turned off avoids using the equality hashmap that is maintained for all inserted objects.

It would be a much better idea to remove this configuration setting, thus simplifying things for end users and have TMS lazily enabled on demand.

For each object type there is an "ObjectTypeConf" configuration object that is retrieved every time a working memory action, such as insert, is executed. The enabledTMS boolean should be moved there, so there is one per object type, by default it is false.

When a working memory action occurs, like insert, it retrieved the ObjectTypeConf and checks the maintainTms boolean there, instead of the current engine scoped configuration. When a logical insertion occurs and the ObjectTypeConf is retrieved if maintainTms is false it sets the value to true and then iterates the associated ObjectTypeNode memory lazily adding all the objects to the TMS equality map. From then on for that ObjectType all inserted objects are added to that equality map.

With this you now have the advantage of TMS being laziy enabled, so the minor hashmap operation is no longer used and likewise a small memory saving from not populating the map. There is a further advantage that this is now fine grained and when enabled only impacts for that specific object type.

A further enhancement could use a int counter, instead of a boolean. Each logical insertion for that object type increases the counter, each retraction decreases the counter; even if automatically retracted if the truth is broken for that logical assertion. When the counter reaches zero, TMS for that OTN can be disabled. We do not however remove the objects from the equality map, as this would cause "churn" if TMS is continuously enabled and disabled. Instead when TMS is disabled record the current fact counter id. Then if TMS is disabled on a retraction but there is a counter id, we can check that counter id to see if the fact is prior to TMS being disabled and thus would need to be retracted from the equality map.

_______________________________________________
rules-dev mailing list
rules-dev@lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev



_______________________________________________
rules-dev mailing list
rules-dev@lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev


_______________________________________________
rules-dev mailing list
rules-dev@lists.jboss.org
https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev