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Score Models / Scorecards The Score Model / Scorecards is a common model used in scoring - a type of statistical approach, per Predictive Analytics - to allow a subjective score to be defined against some criteria for some decisioning purpose (eg credit scoring). A scorecard represents an assessment, opinion, or prediction about the customer or prospect. In other decision metaphors such as decision tables or decision trees, the values for rule conditions and actions are set by the user. In a scorecard, the properties and values for rule conditions and the rule action are generated using the values entered in the scorecard. The attribute scores are summed to return an overall score and the resulting score. This overall score is then available for use by other rulesets, functions, decision tables, and decision trees. http://books.google.co.in/books?id=9AqRlUOaoVIC&pg=PA142&lpg=PA14... -- View this message in context: http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/scorecard-metaphor-in-drools-tp4017756p... Sent from the Drools: Developer (committer) mailing list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ rules-dev mailing list rules-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev

There's an experimental module called https://github.com/droolsjbpm/drools-chance There are various sources on the internet about using PMML for Score Cards: e.g. http://adapasupport.zementis.com/2010/02/scorecards-in-pmml-primer.html Might be worth looking at - I'm sure Davide Sotty would welcome feedback. With kind regards, Mike On 5 June 2012 18:40, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Thanks! > > This would not be implemented at "the Engine level"; it would be a (more > or less) complex > framework similar to what there is now (in Drools) for decision tables. > But the evaluation for such > a scorecard is much less predictable than the one for a decision table, > which can be > defined in terms of Drools Rule Language conditions, constraints and > actions. > > If there is a more or less straightforward way of defining constraints > and actions from a scorecard, > it might not be so much different from the approach used for decision > tables. But is there a > commonly agreed-upon way of deriving the those from a scorecard? Is there > a commonly > agreed-upon abstract structure for S.C. as there is one for spreadsheets? > > -W > > > > On 5 June 2012 19:28, vinodkiran <vinodkiran(a)usa.net&gt; wrote: > >> Score Models / Scorecards >> >> The Score Model / Scorecards is a common model used in scoring - a type >> of >> statistical approach, per Predictive Analytics - to allow a subjective >> score >> to be defined against some criteria for some decisioning purpose (eg >> credit >> scoring). >> >> A scorecard represents an assessment, opinion, or prediction about the >> customer or prospect. In other decision metaphors such as decision >> tables or >> decision trees, the values for rule conditions and actions are set by the >> user. In a scorecard, the properties and values for rule conditions and >> the >> rule action are generated using the values entered in the scorecard. The >> attribute scores are summed to return an overall score and the resulting >> score. This overall score is then available for use by other rulesets, >> functions, decision tables, and decision trees. >> >> >> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=9AqRlUOaoVIC&pg=PA142&lpg=PA14... >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/scorecard-metaphor-in-drools-tp4017756p... >> Sent from the Drools: Developer (committer) mailing list mailing list >> archive at Nabble.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> rules-dev mailing list >> rules-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >> > > > _______________________________________________ > rules-dev mailing list > rules-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev > >

manstis: I have looked at drools-chance, and my understanding is that this module is closely tied to PMML file format, I was more looking for a generic score models (additive/weighted/...) that can be defined using excel (and at some point through a custom UI). laune: I agree that this is not a core "engine" functionality, and can be built on similar lines as the decision tables module. My original question was not phrased properly :( Now that we have covered the basics of my question, can either one of you point to any work/discussion in the drools community in this direction? Also, if I have some thoughts on this subject (creating this framework), who would be the person(s) to brainstorm? Who would provide me with a go/no-go for working on this? manstis wrote > Doh, forgot to mention the drools-change module supports PMML. > > Helps if I join the dots up :) > > On 5 June 2012 20:55, Michael Anstis&lt;michael.anstis@&gt; wrote: > >> There's an experimental module called >> https://github.com/droolsjbpm/drools-chance >> >> There are various sources on the internet about using PMML for Score >> Cards: e.g. >> http://adapasupport.zementis.com/2010/02/scorecards-in-pmml-primer.html >> >> Might be worth looking at - I'm sure Davide Sotty would welcome feedback. >> >> With kind regards, >> >> Mike >> >> >> On 5 June 2012 18:40, Wolfgang Laun&lt;wolfgang.laun@&gt; wrote: >> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> This would not be implemented at "the Engine level"; it would be a (more >>> or less) complex >>> framework similar to what there is now (in Drools) for decision tables. >>> But the evaluation for such >>> a scorecard is much less predictable than the one for a decision table, >>> which can be >>> defined in terms of Drools Rule Language conditions, constraints and >>> actions. >>> >>> If there is a more or less straightforward way of defining constraints >>> and actions from a scorecard, >>> it might not be so much different from the approach used for decision >>> tables. But is there a >>> commonly agreed-upon way of deriving the those from a scorecard? Is >>> there >>> a commonly >>> agreed-upon abstract structure for S.C. as there is one for >>> spreadsheets? >>> >>> -W >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5 June 2012 19:28, vinodkiran&lt;vinodkiran@&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Score Models / Scorecards >>>> >>>> The Score Model / Scorecards is a common model used in scoring - a type >>>> of >>>> statistical approach, per Predictive Analytics - to allow a subjective >>>> score >>>> to be defined against some criteria for some decisioning purpose (eg >>>> credit >>>> scoring). >>>> >>>> A scorecard represents an assessment, opinion, or prediction about the >>>> customer or prospect. In other decision metaphors such as decision >>>> tables or >>>> decision trees, the values for rule conditions and actions are set by >>>> the >>>> user. In a scorecard, the properties and values for rule conditions and >>>> the >>>> rule action are generated using the values entered in the scorecard. >>>> The >>>> attribute scores are summed to return an overall score and the >>>> resulting >>>> score. This overall score is then available for use by other rulesets, >>>> functions, decision tables, and decision trees. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=9AqRlUOaoVIC&pg=PA142&lpg=PA14... >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: >>>> http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/scorecard-metaphor-in-drools-tp4017756p... >>>> Sent from the Drools: Developer (committer) mailing list mailing list >>>> archive at Nabble.com. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rules-dev mailing list >>>> rules-dev@.jboss >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rules-dev mailing list >>> rules-dev@.jboss >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > rules-dev mailing list > rules-dev@.jboss > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev > -- View this message in context: http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/scorecard-metaphor-in-drools-tp4017756p... Sent from the Drools: Developer (committer) mailing list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ rules-dev mailing list rules-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev