Hi ,


1)Also remember that even 5.6, while a bit more robust from that perspective, is not guaranteed to be 100% thread safe.

Is there any plan to make this 100% thread safe or  are we saying that   highly concurrent systems are better off drools?.

2)Ruleflows, however, have been informally deprecated in favor of proper bpmn business processes for a while, so not much
was added there, but they should still be supported in 5.6
.  


Is there any plan to completely  remove the rule flow features in near future or later versions?.If so projects that are using  rule flow features can't use new features of  those later versions of the release unless they migrate to bpmn?.

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From: Davide Sottara <dsotty@gmail.com>
To: Rules Users List <rules-users@lists.jboss.org>
Date: 18/12/2013 07:42
Subject: Re: [rules-users] Drools KB Object hierarchy Serilisation and Deserialisation thread safety issue
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Adarsh,
CR1 is "candidate release 1" and is available from the JBoss Maven Repositories. 5.6.0.Final will probably be released this week.
There are quite a few internal differences between 5.3 and 5.6, but as far as I know the APIs have remained the same,
so it should be possible to switch almost effortlessly. Others may be able to comment on their upgrade experience.
Ruleflows, however, have been informally deprecated in favor of proper bpmn business processes for a while, so not much
was added there, but they should still be supported in 5.6.  
Also remember that even 5.6, while a bit more robust from that perspective, is not guaranteed to be 100% thread safe.
Davide


On 12/17/2013 07:00 AM,
adarsh.chaini@hsbcib.com wrote:
Davide,

Thanks for your reply on this.What does
 CR1 stands for in 5.6.0.CR1 and  can someone point me to the  release life cycle timelines?.
Also the important aspect is  are
5.6.0.CR1 and 5.5.0.Final  versions backward compatible to 5.3.0.Final  and  fully regressed ?

Is there any documentation that  describes the major changes  like this .We are mostly using the rule engine  with the rule flow aspects of the product


Thanks and regards,


Adarsh CHAINI


From: Davide Sottara <dsotty@gmail.com>
To: rules-users@lists.jboss.org
Date: 14/12/2013 19:56
Subject: Re: [rules-users] Drools KB Object hierarchy Serilisation and Deserialisation thread safety issue
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As far as I know, older versions of Drools were not guaranteed to be thread-safe,
and the whole (de)serialization subsystem has been upgraded since 5.3.0.Final.
Could you try a later version such as 5.5.0.Final or 5.6.0.CR1?

Bugs and issues are usually reported using JIRA (community) or Bugzilla (product)
You can find more information on how to report/contribute here:

http://www.jboss.org/contribute
or in the drools documentation, chapter 1.2

Davide

On 12/13/2013 12:39 PM,
adarsh.chaini@hsbcib.com wrote:
Hi,


We  have found that  some of the drools classes are not thread safe and hence causing the whole KB serialisation  and deserialisation  issues  in a highly concurrent  distributed cluster.


The below is an example of one of the instances we have come across where  the  usage of a  non thread safe collection as instance variables has caused the issue.


Could someone look into this and advise:


1) If this has been reported /identified and logged somewhere  as an issue already
2)If  there has been  any fix to problems like this in  later versions of  5.3.0.Final ?.

3)If not fixed already what  is the process to initiate a fix.


Caused by: java.io.InvalidObjectException: Illegal mappings count: -1

      at java.util.HashMap.readObject(
HashMap.java:1130)
      at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor4.invoke(Unknown Source)

      at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(
DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
      at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(
Method.java:601)
      at java.io.ObjectStreamClass.invokeReadObject(
ObjectStreamClass.java:1004)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readSerialData(
ObjectInputStream.java:1891)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readOrdinaryObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:1796)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(
ObjectInputStream.java:1348)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:370)
      at org.jbpm.workflow.core.DroolsAction.readExternal(
DroolsAction.java:61)
      at org.jbpm.workflow.core.impl.DroolsConsequenceAction.readExternal(
DroolsConsequenceAction.java:49)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readExternalData(
ObjectInputStream.java:1835)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readOrdinaryObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:1794)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(
ObjectInputStream.java:1348)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:370)
      at org.drools.rule.JavaDialectRuntimeData.readExternal(
JavaDialectRuntimeData.java:182)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readExternalData(
ObjectInputStream.java:1835)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readOrdinaryObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:1794)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(
ObjectInputStream.java:1348)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:370)
      at java.util.HashMap.readObject(
HashMap.java:1155)
      at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor4.invoke(Unknown Source)

      at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(
DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
      at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(
Method.java:601)
      at java.io.ObjectStreamClass.invokeReadObject(
ObjectStreamClass.java:1004)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readSerialData(
ObjectInputStream.java:1891)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readOrdinaryObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:1796)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(
ObjectInputStream.java:1348)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:370)
      at org.drools.rule.DialectRuntimeRegistry.readExternal(
DialectRuntimeRegistry.java:59)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readExternalData(
ObjectInputStream.java:1835)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readOrdinaryObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:1794)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(
ObjectInputStream.java:1348)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:370)
      at org.drools.rule.Package.readExternal(
Package.java:197)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readExternalData(
ObjectInputStream.java:1835)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readOrdinaryObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:1794)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(
ObjectInputStream.java:1348)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:370)
      at java.util.HashMap.readObject(
HashMap.java:1155)
      at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor4.invoke(Unknown Source)

      at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(
DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
      at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(
Method.java:601)
      at java.io.ObjectStreamClass.invokeReadObject(
ObjectStreamClass.java:1004)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readSerialData(
ObjectInputStream.java:1891)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readOrdinaryObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:1796)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(
ObjectInputStream.java:1348)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:370)
      at org.drools.common.AbstractRuleBase.readExternal(
AbstractRuleBase.java:270)
      at org.drools.reteoo.ReteooRuleBase.readExternal(
ReteooRuleBase.java:223)
      at org.drools.impl.KnowledgeBaseImpl.readExternal(
KnowledgeBaseImpl.java:116)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readExternalData(
ObjectInputStream.java:1835)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readOrdinaryObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:1794)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(
ObjectInputStream.java:1348)
      at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject(
ObjectInputStream.java:370)
      at com.hsbc.gbm.dsl.domain.DSLRuleSet$Serializer.createInstance(
DSLRuleSet.java:328)
      at com.hsbc.gbm.dsl.domain.DSLRuleSet$Serializer.createInstance(
DSLRuleSet.java:1)
      at com.hsbc.gbm.dsl.domain.AbstractSerializer.deserialize(
AbstractSerializer.java:144)

Thanks and regards,


Adarsh CHAINI

SENIOR LEAD DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST | HSBC Bank Plc
8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, UK
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