Gavin, <br><br>I can understand your frustration with the Hibernate migration - the <a href="http://jboss.org">jboss.org</a> hibernate site is broken - I&#39;m sure Mark&#39;s team is working on it diligently.<br><br>This, however, is not quite the same situation, since we are not suggesting a migration, but a new beginning.<br>
<br>Seam 3 is truly a fresh start, and will not require migration of documentation or content. (Save a few module-specific design pages that we can easily transition over to the JBoss community as we need.)<br><br>I can personally submit my frustration as a new module lead - <a href="http://seamframework.org">seamframework.org</a> is not enough to meet my needs in:<br>
<ol><li>Engaging the community - promoting the project.<br></li><li>Staying aware of what the community is doing, asking for, struggling with, talking about. I&#39;m cut out completely on <a href="http://seamframework.org">seamframework.org</a>. I can&#39;t get email notifications, I can&#39;t paste links to replies, other threads on the site itself, or URLs with query=parameters (without using the  plain text mode which is just terrible.)</li>
<li>Providing logically organized, clear, and navigable information. How can I establish the expectations and guidelines for development on these modules when I can&#39;t put that on a site that isn&#39;t confused with Seam 2 already?<br>
</li></ol>These are just a few of the issues I&#39;ve encountered - aside from the fact that the site is frequently down and is always semi-responsive (5-15s per request). It&#39;s struggling to keep up with our needs.<br>
<br>If I am going to be successful here (my employment depends on my success with these modules, at this point) I only request the proper tools to achieve my goals.<br>---Lincoln<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Gavin King <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gavin.king@gmail.com">gavin.king@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Gavin King &lt;<a href="mailto:gavin.king@gmail.com">gavin.king@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

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&gt; For those who want to see what a mess this would be, go check out the<br>
&gt; new, broken, hibernate.<br>
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</div><a href="http://hibernate.org" target="_blank">hibernate.org</a><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Lincoln Baxter, III<br><a href="http://ocpsoft.com">http://ocpsoft.com</a><br><a href="http://scrumshark.com">http://scrumshark.com</a><br>&quot;Keep it Simple&quot;<br>