Seam is developed with some might consider a more pragmatic approach to testing. Instead of having a lot of secluded tests, the Seam framework is exercised from a gallery of example applications. When I first came into Seam, I thought that there were very few tests because I wasn't looking in the examples directory. But once my attention was drawn there, I realized that core Seam features were being validated by test classes under each example. The reason I say that this approach is more pragmatic is because we can be sure that we are testing Seam from an integration level, which is paramount given that Seam positions itself as an integration framework. In a lot of ways, it's hard to unit test Seam because there really isn't all that much logic going on between the integration logic. In places where there is, we do have a collection of unit tests, though probably not as many as should be there. I hope that gives you a better view of the situation. Can we improve testing? Of course we can. There is always room to improve testing. But know that testing is certainly a part of Seam development. -Dan On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Shane Bryzak <shane.bryzak(a)jboss.com&gt; wrote: -- Dan Allen Software consultant | Author of Seam in Action http://mojavelinux.com http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction NOTE: While I make a strong effort to keep up with my email on a daily basis, life and work come first and, at times, keep me away from my mail for a while. If you contact me, then don't hear back for more than a week, it is very likely that I am excessively backlogged or the message was caught in the spam filters. Please don't hesitate to resend a message if you feel that it did not reach my attention.

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Emmanuel Bernard <emmanuel(a)hibernate.org&gt;wrote: I have recently got the same question from management people. I think it's sort of hype right now (at least here), to the extent that managers have heard the word and need to use it :-) -- Daniel Roth M.Sc. Computer Science daniel(a)danielroth.se www.danielroth.se +46 736 36 29 46