5:22 p.m.
New Teiid Instance dialog is confusing
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Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Enhancement
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Priority: Critical
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as to
what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it relates
to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come to
learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users like
me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I know
it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC connection
info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB. But why does
the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used as a
template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for different
VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be explained
(perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where the Teiid
server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer needs the
connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would have
expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
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Randall Hauch updated TEIIDDES-1097:
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Attachment: New Teiid Instance dialog.png
Attached 'New Teiid Instance dialog.png' file showing existing dialog.
New Teiid Instance dialog is confusing
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Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Enhancement
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Priority: Critical
Attachments: New Teiid Instance dialog.png
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as to
what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it relates
to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come to
learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users like
me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I know
it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC connection
info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB. But why does
the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used as a
template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for different
VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be explained
(perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where the Teiid
server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer needs the
connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would have
expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
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Barry LaFond reassigned TEIIDDES-1097:
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Assignee: Barry LaFond
New Teiid Instance dialog is confusing
--------------------------------------
Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Enhancement
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Assignee: Barry LaFond
Priority: Critical
Fix For: 7.6
Attachments: New Teiid Instance dialog.png
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as to
what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it relates
to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come to
learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users like
me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I know
it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC connection
info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB. But why does
the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used as a
template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for different
VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be explained
(perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where the Teiid
server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer needs the
connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would have
expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
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Barry LaFond updated TEIIDDES-1097:
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Fix Version/s: 7.6
New Teiid Instance dialog is confusing
--------------------------------------
Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Enhancement
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Assignee: Barry LaFond
Priority: Critical
Fix For: 7.6
Attachments: New Teiid Instance dialog.png
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as to
what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it relates
to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come to
learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users like
me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I know
it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC connection
info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB. But why does
the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used as a
template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for different
VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be explained
(perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where the Teiid
server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer needs the
connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would have
expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
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Barry LaFond updated TEIIDDES-1097:
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Summary: New Teiid Instance dialog improvements (was: New Teiid Instance dialog is
confusing)
New Teiid Instance dialog improvements
--------------------------------------
Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Enhancement
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Assignee: Barry LaFond
Priority: Critical
Fix For: 7.6
Attachments: New Teiid Instance dialog.png
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
- First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
- Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
- Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as
to what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it
relates to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come
to learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users
like me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I
know it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC
connection info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB.
But why does the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used
as a template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for
different VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be
explained (perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where
the Teiid server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer
needs the connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would
have expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
- Also noticed that when changing Host name it get's hung up somewhere. Debug
revealed that the URL validation is where it's spending a lot of time.
- The JDBC URL could be renamed "URL Template" since it's not complete.
AND if the Host name is more than 22 characters, the URL field gets truncated. need to
expand dialog window to reveal complete URL string.
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Barry LaFond updated TEIIDDES-1097:
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Description:
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
- First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
- Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
- Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as to
what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it relates
to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come to
learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users like
me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I know
it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC connection
info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB. But why does
the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used as a
template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for different
VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be explained
(perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where the Teiid
server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer needs the
connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would have
expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
- Also noticed that when changing Host name it get's hung up somewhere. Debug
revealed that the URL validation is where it's spending a lot of time.
- The JDBC URL could be renamed "URL Template" since it's not complete. AND
if the Host name is more than 22 characters, the URL field gets truncated. need to expand
dialog window to reveal complete URL string.
was:
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as to
what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it relates
to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come to
learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users like
me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I know
it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC connection
info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB. But why does
the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used as a
template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for different
VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be explained
(perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where the Teiid
server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer needs the
connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would have
expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
New Teiid Instance dialog is confusing
--------------------------------------
Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Enhancement
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Assignee: Barry LaFond
Priority: Critical
Fix For: 7.6
Attachments: New Teiid Instance dialog.png
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
- First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
- Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
- Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as
to what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it
relates to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come
to learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users
like me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I
know it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC
connection info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB.
But why does the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used
as a template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for
different VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be
explained (perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where
the Teiid server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer
needs the connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would
have expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
- Also noticed that when changing Host name it get's hung up somewhere. Debug
revealed that the URL validation is where it's spending a lot of time.
- The JDBC URL could be renamed "URL Template" since it's not complete.
AND if the Host name is more than 22 characters, the URL field gets truncated. need to
expand dialog window to reveal complete URL string.
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Barry LaFond updated TEIIDDES-1097:
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Attachment: new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-A.png
Prototyped dialog to simplify/clarify connection inputs.
Proposes force ALL Teiid instances to be named rather than allow both custom names and URL
names.
New Teiid Instance dialog improvements
--------------------------------------
Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Enhancement
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Assignee: Barry LaFond
Priority: Critical
Fix For: 7.6
Attachments: New Teiid Instance dialog.png, new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-A.png
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
- First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
- Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
- Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as
to what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it
relates to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come
to learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users
like me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I
know it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC
connection info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB.
But why does the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used
as a template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for
different VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be
explained (perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where
the Teiid server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer
needs the connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would
have expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
- Also noticed that when changing Host name it get's hung up somewhere. Debug
revealed that the URL validation is where it's spending a lot of time.
- The JDBC URL could be renamed "URL Template" since it's not complete.
AND if the Host name is more than 22 characters, the URL field gets truncated. need to
expand dialog window to reveal complete URL string.
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Barry LaFond commented on TEIIDDES-1097:
----------------------------------------
Discussion today around the "Test" button. Suggestion was to add a test of the
JDBC connection during the Teiid Server ping().
This could utilize Teiid's Dynamic VDB feature to stream a hard-coded small VDB
(vdb.xml). Basically create a simple JDBC connection through JAVA (avoid DTP).
Not sure then how much of the input fields should we REQUIRE as opposed to optional.
New Teiid Instance dialog improvements
--------------------------------------
Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Enhancement
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Assignee: Barry LaFond
Priority: Critical
Fix For: 7.6
Attachments: New Teiid Instance dialog.png, new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-A.png
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
- First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
- Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
- Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as
to what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it
relates to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come
to learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users
like me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I
know it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC
connection info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB.
But why does the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used
as a template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for
different VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be
explained (perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where
the Teiid server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer
needs the connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would
have expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
- Also noticed that when changing Host name it get's hung up somewhere. Debug
revealed that the URL validation is where it's spending a lot of time.
- The JDBC URL could be renamed "URL Template" since it's not complete.
AND if the Host name is more than 22 characters, the URL field gets truncated. need to
expand dialog window to reveal complete URL string.
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Van Halbert commented on TEIIDDES-1097:
---------------------------------------
2 comments:
- should the "set as default option" be outside the Admin Connection box,
because it applies to the overall instance.
- since we're improving this, would it be good to add the ability to set URL
connection properties? Example, seeing the showplan or testing any of the other possible
connection property options. This would improve the iterative testing process.
New Teiid Instance dialog improvements
--------------------------------------
Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Enhancement
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Assignee: Barry LaFond
Priority: Critical
Fix For: 7.6
Attachments: New Teiid Instance dialog.png, new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-A.png
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
- First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
- Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
- Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as
to what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it
relates to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come
to learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users
like me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I
know it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC
connection info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB.
But why does the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used
as a template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for
different VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be
explained (perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where
the Teiid server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer
needs the connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would
have expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
- Also noticed that when changing Host name it get's hung up somewhere. Debug
revealed that the URL validation is where it's spending a lot of time.
- The JDBC URL could be renamed "URL Template" since it's not complete.
AND if the Host name is more than 22 characters, the URL field gets truncated. need to
expand dialog window to reveal complete URL string.
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Barry LaFond updated TEIIDDES-1097:
-----------------------------------
Parent: TEIIDDES-1071
Issue Type: Sub-task (was: Enhancement)
New Teiid Instance dialog improvements
--------------------------------------
Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Sub-task
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Assignee: Barry LaFond
Priority: Critical
Fix For: 7.6
Attachments: New Teiid Instance dialog.png, new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-A.png
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
- First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
- Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
- Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as
to what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it
relates to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come
to learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users
like me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I
know it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC
connection info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB.
But why does the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used
as a template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for
different VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be
explained (perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where
the Teiid server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer
needs the connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would
have expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
- Also noticed that when changing Host name it get's hung up somewhere. Debug
revealed that the URL validation is where it's spending a lot of time.
- The JDBC URL could be renamed "URL Template" since it's not complete.
AND if the Host name is more than 22 characters, the URL field gets truncated. need to
expand dialog window to reveal complete URL string.
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Paul Nittel commented on TEIIDDES-1097:
---------------------------------------
Great progress on this dialog--it's much clearer and user-friendly. I agree with Van
that the "set as default" should be moved outside the admin connection area.
Van's suggestion for the inclusion of optional connection properties is very
interesting and would simplify the lives of those who use those options.
New Teiid Instance dialog improvements
--------------------------------------
Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Sub-task
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Assignee: Barry LaFond
Priority: Critical
Fix For: 7.6
Attachments: New Teiid Instance dialog.png, new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-A.png
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
- First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
- Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
- Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as
to what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it
relates to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come
to learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users
like me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I
know it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC
connection info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB.
But why does the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used
as a template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for
different VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be
explained (perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where
the Teiid server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer
needs the connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would
have expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
- Also noticed that when changing Host name it get's hung up somewhere. Debug
revealed that the URL validation is where it's spending a lot of time.
- The JDBC URL could be renamed "URL Template" since it's not complete.
AND if the Host name is more than 22 characters, the URL field gets truncated. need to
expand dialog window to reveal complete URL string.
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Barry LaFond updated TEIIDDES-1097:
-----------------------------------
Attachment: new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-B.png
New Teiid Instance dialog improvements
--------------------------------------
Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Sub-task
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Assignee: Barry LaFond
Priority: Critical
Fix For: 7.6
Attachments: New Teiid Instance dialog.png, new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-A.png,
new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-B.png
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
- First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
- Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
- Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as
to what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it
relates to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come
to learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users
like me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I
know it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC
connection info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB.
But why does the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used
as a template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for
different VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be
explained (perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where
the Teiid server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer
needs the connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would
have expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
- Also noticed that when changing Host name it get's hung up somewhere. Debug
revealed that the URL validation is where it's spending a lot of time.
- The JDBC URL could be renamed "URL Template" since it's not complete.
AND if the Host name is more than 22 characters, the URL field gets truncated. need to
expand dialog window to reveal complete URL string.
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Barry LaFond commented on TEIIDDES-1097:
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- Moved checkbox out of panel
- Made "note" text and URL text dark blue
- Made URL text boxes 2 lines high to account for longer URL's.
New Teiid Instance dialog improvements
--------------------------------------
Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Sub-task
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Assignee: Barry LaFond
Priority: Critical
Fix For: 7.6
Attachments: New Teiid Instance dialog.png, new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-A.png,
new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-B.png
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
- First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
- Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
- Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as
to what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it
relates to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come
to learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users
like me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I
know it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC
connection info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB.
But why does the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used
as a template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for
different VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be
explained (perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where
the Teiid server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer
needs the connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would
have expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
- Also noticed that when changing Host name it get's hung up somewhere. Debug
revealed that the URL validation is where it's spending a lot of time.
- The JDBC URL could be renamed "URL Template" since it's not complete.
AND if the Host name is more than 22 characters, the URL field gets truncated. need to
expand dialog window to reveal complete URL string.
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Barry LaFond resolved TEIIDDES-1097.
------------------------------------
Resolution: Done
No further comments or suggestions. Marking as Done.
New Teiid Instance dialog improvements
--------------------------------------
Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Sub-task
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Assignee: Barry LaFond
Priority: Critical
Fix For: 7.6
Attachments: New Teiid Instance dialog.png, new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-A.png,
new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-B.png
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
- First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
- Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
- Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as
to what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it
relates to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come
to learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users
like me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I
know it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC
connection info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB.
But why does the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used
as a template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for
different VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be
explained (perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where
the Teiid server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer
needs the connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would
have expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
- Also noticed that when changing Host name it get's hung up somewhere. Debug
revealed that the URL validation is where it's spending a lot of time.
- The JDBC URL could be renamed "URL Template" since it's not complete.
AND if the Host name is more than 22 characters, the URL field gets truncated. need to
expand dialog window to reveal complete URL string.
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Van Halbert commented on TEIIDDES-1097:
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Does this address TEIIDDES-870 in any way, it seems it talks about testing the JDBC
Connection.
New Teiid Instance dialog improvements
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Key: TEIIDDES-1097
URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/TEIIDDES-1097
Project: Teiid Designer
Issue Type: Sub-task
Components: Teiid Integration
Affects Versions: 7.4
Reporter: Randall Hauch
Assignee: Barry LaFond
Priority: Critical
Fix For: 7.6
Attachments: New Teiid Instance dialog.png, new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-A.png,
new-teiid-server-dialog-rev-B.png
The "New Teiid Instance" dialog is extremely confusing, and it's not clear
at all how to fill out the values on this dialog.
- First of all, I have no idea what "Label" means. I can guess, and I'm
probably right, but seems like the name of the instance (shown in the server list) should
be at the top of the dialog, but "Host" is there. Seems backwards. And generally
these kinds of things are referred to as "names" not "label". (Label
to me is a tag that is applied, whereas a name is the string/key by which something can
referred.)
- Secondly, the 'Test' button (which is in the Admin area) only works when
you've specified the JDBC connection info, which is in a different area. If that's
the case, then it should be moved outside of both sections. Note that if I put a bogus
username and password in the "Teiid JDBC Connection Info" section, I can test
the Admin connection successfully. So my guess is that the 'Test' button *should*
be enabled and functional even when the JDBC Connection Info username and password are not
filled in. (Maybe this should be a separate BUG?) Also, shouldn't the 'Test'
button be disabled if it cannot be used (perhaps with a mouse-over that says what's
required to use it)?
- Thirdly, I found many of the items on the dialog to be very confusing and unclear as
to what they really represent, why I'm entering this information now, and how it
relates to things in the actual server. Perhaps users with more Teiid experience have come
to learn what they all mean, but it's likely pretty confusing for new users or users
like me that don't regularly use Teiid. Why is the Admin connection info needed? I
know it's because Teiid Designer can deploy new VDBs. But then why is the JDBC
connection info needed? Again, I know that Teiid Designer can connect to a deployed VDB.
But why does the URL have "<vdbname>" in it? Perhaps because it's used
as a template? And if so, then might the username and password often be different for
different VDBs? If so, then why do I have to specify it here? All of this should be
explained (perhaps with a help button). And better yet, I should be able to specify where
the Teiid server is without having to specify any connection info, and when Teiid Designer
needs the connection info and it's not there, it should prompt me and save it. I would
have expected that the Teiid Instance dialog has the server information and, if any VDB
connectivity is shown then all of the available VDBs are shown (with ways of
caching/storing the connection info for each).
- Also noticed that when changing Host name it get's hung up somewhere. Debug
revealed that the URL validation is where it's spending a lot of time.
- The JDBC URL could be renamed "URL Template" since it's not complete.
AND if the Host name is more than 22 characters, the URL field gets truncated. need to
expand dialog window to reveal complete URL string.
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participants (8)
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Barry LaFond (Assigned) (JIRA) -
Barry LaFond (Commented) (JIRA)
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Barry LaFond (Resolved) (JIRA)
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Barry LaFond (Updated) (JIRA)
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Paul Nittel (Commented) (JIRA)
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Randall Hauch (Created) (JIRA)
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Randall Hauch (Updated) (JIRA)
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Van Halbert (Commented) (JIRA)