On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 12:45 PM, James Perkins <jperkins@redhat.com> wrote:
The main reason those modules are dependencies of the logging subsystem is because they are not really required for the subsystem itself with the exception of org.jboss.logging. Those module dependencies are added to deployments for convenience. So really they're not required at all unless the user is using one of those logging frameworks and they want the logging subsystem to control the logging output.

So this is this case from Jean-Francois' initial post:

"- RuntimeCapability.addAdditionalOptionalPackages for all optional 
implicit dependencies that are not passive"

(Note that it's only truly optional if the DUP registers it that way.)

If the logging subsystem doesn't actual use the module itself then it's module.xml would not record it as a dependency. This is the right thing to do regardless if the logging subsystem isn't accessing any resources from them.

This may be somewhat of an edge case because if the user doesn't use, say slf4j, then there is no real reason to include the dependency unless of course another module uses it.

AIUI the idea is that by not including these in the logging subsystem module.xml but instead recording them in the management model definition via addAdditionalOptionalPackages, this information will end up in the galleon feature spec.  Based on that galleon will provision the modules, but would allow the user to exclude them if they wanted to further optimize.

I assume that for compatibility reasons we must provision them by default.

I do wonder if we should remove the org.jboss.logging.jul-to-slf4j-stub module and just put the library as a resource root to org.slf4j, but that's slightly OT :)

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 12:34 AM Jean-Francois Denise <jdenise@redhat.com> wrote:

in the galleon project, in a context where we would not provision a
complete server but just a subset required to run a given configuration,
we have identified a need for subsystems to advertise to the galleon
tooling some modules in addition to the modules galleon discover by
traversing the module dependency tree.

The first case is DeploymentProcessor injecting modules into the
deployment units (implicit modules).

The deployment injected ones are not required to be a dependency of the
subsystem module, so galleon has the risk to miss some of them.

As an example, in logging subsystem we have the following non optional
injected modules :

Some of these modules are direct dependencies of logging subsystem, some
others are indirect dependencies, others could be not present at all in
the module dependency tree (eg: org.jboss.logging.jul-to-slf4j-stub).

So we are thinking at solving this issue in 2 possible ways:

1) Mandate that all injected modules become dependencies of the
subsystem module at the cost to load some useless modules at runtime.

2) Possibly better, make the subsystem to call
RuntimeCapability.addAdditionalRequiredPackages (package name being
module name) for each injected module. An existing capability or a new
one  would have to be created.

There is also the case of optional injected module dependencies (eg: ee
subsystem org.glassfish.javax.el, org.eclipse.yasson, ...). We need to
treat them differently. When one is provisioning a server using galleon
he can choose to exclude some packages from the provisioned server.
Optional packages can be excluded without making the provisioned state
invalid (as opposed to required package that can't be excluded). These
optional implicit dependencies are typical usage of this, they are not
required by the deployment unit to properly operate.

For these, we plan to use
RuntimeCapability.addAdditionalOptionalPackages. We can't make them
"optional" in JBoss module. When galleon provision a subset of the
server we don't include all optional dependencies.

This brings the case of provisioning of optional dependencies present in
JBOSS module.xml.

We have identified multiple kind of optional dependencies.

1) The optional dependencies that are referencing modules only in use
when a feature is present in the configuration of the subsystem (eg: jmx
subsystem optional dep on org.jboss.remoting-jmx due to
<remoting-connector/>, remoting subsystem optional dep on
io.undertow.core for <http-connector/>, elytron subsystem optional dep
on org.picketbox for <jacc-policy>)

In order to have these dependencies to be provisioned with the
subsystem, we can attach thanks to
RuntimeCapability.addAdditionalRequiredPackages the modules to the
feature. When the feature is present in the configuration, the module is
no more optional but required.

2) The optional dependencies that reference modules that are part of
another subsystems and only use if this other subsystem is present (eg:
org.jboss.as.jpa optional dep on org.jboss.as.ejb3,
org.jboss.as.transactions optional dep on org.jboss.remoting). These
ones are simply not taken into account

3)  The optional dependencies that reference modules that are not part
of another subsystem (so are not provisioned by another source) but are
only meaningful if the other subsystem is present. We call these ones
"passive" (eg: org.jboss.as.weld optional dependency on
"passive" are analyzed. If all their dependencies are present, then they
are included. Some implicit optional dependencies can fall into this
category (eg: org.jboss.jaxrs optional dep on

The passive optional dependencies would be advertised with
dependency package name).

So to summarize:

- RuntimeCapability.addAdditionalRequiredPackages for all required
implicit modules

- RuntimeCapability.addAdditionalRequiredPackages to associate optional
dependencies to a feature

- RuntimeCapability.addAdditionalOptionalPackages for all optional
implicit dependencies that are not passive

- RuntimeCapability.addAdditionalPassiveOptionalPackages for all
optional dependencies (implicit or not) that are passive

Is it something that subsystems owner would be ready to put in place to
help galleon in this task? It would require a bit of analysis of the
dependencies of your modules but the gain could be quite important. Some
early experimentation of this has shown a big reduction of the server
filesystem footprint (web server + cdi has been reduced from 156MB to
46MB). The runtime memory usage reduction is not that big, but less
modules being loaded we have a gain.

Thanks for reading.


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