El mar., 3 abr. 2018 14:36, arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@gmail.com> escribió:
Hi,

I'm already on this list indeed ;)

Indeed, the FacesInitizalizer only does these two things unconditionally:

boolean appHasSomeJsfContent = appMayHaveSomeJsfContent(classes, servletContext);
boolean appHasFacesServlet = getExistingFacesServletRegistration(servletContext) != null;

As can be seen from the code, it looks at the classes provided by the Servlet container, for a faces-config.xml in WEB-INF, and for the CDI bean annotated with @FacesConfig (which is a single CDI lookup).

Note though that WildFly is using a somewhat older Mojarra release, so the code is a bit different in WildFly, although not that much.

So if the application is not actually using JSF, that's all it does. And there should not be any additional overhead. If the application does use JSF indeed, there's overhead and that's indeed too much overhead. I've been trying on reducing this, for instance by using a pre-parsed internal faces-config file.
But the implementation is on the classpath, so there will always be some JSF related class there. Stuart changes will fix this, but Payara suffers from this same problem as far as I saw. In fact I had this issue on my queue on pending reports.

See specifically this commit: https://github.com/javaserverfaces/mojarra/commit/0129ffe2aadb4e87f46d094159cee0910f73003a

@Stuart, I wonder what the overhead is that you see when the application is not using JSF, and which test application you are actually using. Could it be that you somehow have a FacesServlet or faces-config.xml etc anyway?

Kind regards,
Arjan






On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 7:50 AM, Guillermo González de Agüero <z06.guillermo@gmail.com> wrote:
This would be great to have!

As for JSF activation, note that faces-config.xml nor Faces Servlet are required anymore. There's also a new @FacesConfig CDI qualifier on JSF 2.3 which substitutes faces-config.

Looking at FacesConfigInitializer class[1] might provide some more insight. I've always been puzzled with the "Initializing Mojarra" log when deploying a JAX-RS only app. The mentioned class supposedly should prevent JSF from unnecessary initializing. Perhaps some work could be done there which helps also other runtimes?

Btw, I think he is already subscribed to the list, but I'm cc'ing Arjan Tijms since he's the expert on this stuff.


Regards,

Guillermo González de Agüero


El mar., 3 abr. 2018 a las 3:16, Stuart Douglas (<stuart.w.douglas@gmail.com>) escribió:
Hi Everyone,

At the moment JSP and JSF are being activated for all web deployments, which is relatively expensive as this involves quite a bit of class loading and TLD parsing. 

To give an idea about how much time this is actually taking I did a test with a large number of small servlet only deployments both with and without JSF, and JSF was accounting for 20% of total deployment time even though it was not actually used by any of the deployments.

It also had a significant effect on memory usage, as the parsed TLD's are retained, and are quite large.

The root of this issue is that the spec does not define clear activation criteria for these technologies. I am proposing that we formalise some activation criteria, so that we can avoid activating them if they are not required.

JSP:

For JSP I think we can use the following criteria (if either one is satisfied JSP is activated):

- The presence of a JSP file mapping in web.xml
- The presence of JSP files inside the deployment
- The presence of JSF

One thing that does concern me is that searching for JSP files in this way may be expensive in large deployments with lots of web resources. An alternate approach may be to try and make JSP lazy, so class loading and TLD passing does not happen until a request for a JSP file arrives.


JSF:

This is much less clear. I think we can use the presence of one of the following:

- faces-config.xml
- The faces servlet in web.xml
- Something else?

I am not really sure what effect this will have on backwards compatibility though. If this is a compatibility problem we could add an attribute to the JSF subsystem to restore the old mode.


Does this sound reasonable?  

Stuart




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