[windup-dev] Forge-related issues - logging, exceptions

Hi, it's so adventurous to develop something with limited or no access to information on what's happening in runtime. When I get some exception, it's typically something like: org.jboss.....WindupException$----$javassist@!#4138329859842740987598974105762985734109852984675091: null at org.jboss.forge.FooClass at org.jboss.forge.BarClass ... The real exception is swallowed somehow, and I can only find it somewhere in the log. *If I am lucky.* Because logging is broken as well. Every time I suggest to put fixing logging as priority, I am told "use JUL". But that's not a solution. I can use JUL, or print to std err for that matter, but other parts and libraries will use SLF4J, Log4j, Commons Logging, JBoss logging. These frameworks mostly do not perform well in modularized environment, and either 1) Format logging in a really weird way (2 lines, date/time format like from Abraham Lincoln's diary) 2) Log everything up to INFO level (see Forge's insanely long relatively irrelevant information) 3) Even worse, log everything up to DEBUG level (see Forge's insanely long relatively irrelevant information) 4) Even worse, do not log at all (see the long periods of silence in our test runs). With these two combined, I can spend hours and hours, solving mysteries. But that gets monotonous over time. I'd rather develop some functionality faster. I have spent one evening trying various ways to fix logging, but without luck - since the frameworks are initiated at random places, I would have to add their deps and config to every addon used in the project, including non-Windup. Could we please fix logging and exception handling? See e.g. https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1964, or whatever it takes. Thanks, Ondra