[aerogear-dev] WebSocket and AeroGear ?

Tue Dec 18 08:19:08 EST 2012

FYI, the JSR 356 "offerings" from the Atmosphere Framework:

https://github.com/Atmosphere/atmosphere-jsr356

-M

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Daniel Manzke
> <daniel.manzke at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> nothing to do with your case, but just my two cents. don't invent another
>> library to wrap it up. use atmosphere instead ;)
>
> well, main focus here is offering client APIs and client functionality.
>
> On the server side there will be just a light/tiny/thin layer around
> an _existing_ WebSocket server. Most-likely JSR 356 implementation.
> If Atmosphere comes with an impl of that (I think the want to do
> that), it could be used. Or what ever the underlying container uses.
>
> Similar to our REST "extensions"
>
> Also, outside of the JavaEE realm, we wanna make sure that things like
> Netty (read: protocol servers) can be hooked in as well.
>
> Don't worry, nobody is writing yet another WebSocket server here
>
> Cheers!
> Matthias
>
> [1]
>
>>
>>
>> 2012/12/17 Jay Balunas <jbalunas at redhat.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Jay Balunas <jbalunas at redhat.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> This is similar to what I was thinking as well.
>>> >>
>>> >> There are two main types of push; native & non-native, but I don't like
>>> >> those designations.  It is really more like "live" & "background" push,
>>> >> referring to the state of the client.
>>> >>
>>> >> Live push == Application is open, and active on the client.  Push msgs
>>> >> are routed to the application via more traditional long/short polling,
>>> >> websockets, etc...
>>> >>
>>> >> Background push == Application is closed, and not active on the client.
>>> >> Regular live push messages are not possible.  The only way to communicate is
>>> >> via APN, GC native messaging (sorry web apps - no love).
>>> >>
>>> >> In an ideal world there would be no difference to the application
>>> >> developer using AeroGear API's (client or server).  The server-side would
>>> >> know what clients are available, and the clients would be listening
>>> >> automatically.  Sending a message would be agnostic for the server-side.
>>> >>
>>> >> Unfortunately this can not "fully" be the case as background/native
>>> >> messages have limitations on the content, client support, and delivery
>>> >> mechanisms.
>>> >
>>> > one option is, to "push / poll". The client gets a msg on what to
>>> > fetch. When back online it performs a "normal" fetch/poll for the data
>>> > in question
>>>
>>> +1 - I've seen that sort of thing as an option for native push - its
>>> really just a phone call to tell the app it has an email - go read it :-)
>>>
>>> >
>>> >> So I think the best we can do is setup a "smart" message system that
>>> >> gets you pretty close with good fallback api's and checks for what sort of
>>> >> messages are possible, or configured.
>>> >>
>>> >> Make sense, or is this just a big ramble? :-)
>>> >>
>>> >> -Jay
>>> >>
>>> >> On Dec 5, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> well,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> the idea is to have a wrapper/hook for "push notification" (e.g. APN)
>>> >>> in the notifier as well:
>>> >>> * receiving 'native push' events, when the app is offline (inactive,
>>> >>> not watching the tab/window)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If an app is offline, you simple can't receive a websocket frame/msg.
>>> >>> So push is needed to tell AG that is needs to fetch data for sync etc.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -Matthias
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Burr Sutter <bsutter at redhat.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>> I am concerned about the words "push" and "notifier" as those can
>>> >>>> become confused with real "push notifications" which we will have to have a
>>> >>>> client API for in the future.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Dec 3, 2012, at 2:46 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> any further comments?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>>> <matzew at apache.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> yesterday some folks of the team meet, to talk about WebSocket -
>>> >>>>>> more
>>> >>>>>> generally (HTML5) connectivity.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Here is a write-up from the meeting:
>>> >>>>>> https://gist.github.com/dd6e3c2da08830776996
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Feedback and comments are welcome - Please use the comment function
>>> >>>>>> on
>>> >>>>>> that gist!
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Cheers!
>>> >>>>>> Matthias
>>> >>>>>>
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