[aerogear-dev] [jdf-dev] 20 minute JBDS Demo with OpenShift Enterprise/OnPremise
Douglas Campos
qmx at qmx.me
Thu Nov 15 09:56:06 EST 2012
On Nov 15, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Fred Bricon wrote:
> Sorry guys but unfortunately, org.jboss.aerogear.archetypes:jboss-html5-mobile-archetype:1.0.0.M6b is still broken. It fixes the arq-jbossas-remote profile issue but it still doesn't build with -Denterprise=true
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> As I said on IRC yesterday :
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> (15:38:43) fbricon: yeah so, if it really really works, with -Denterprise=true and/or active arquillian profiles, burr would probably be happy if you guys could release ASAP
> (15:40:28) qmx: fbricon: lholmquist is looking into it already
> (15:40:42) qmx: fbricon: we'll keep you guys posted
> (15:42:09) fbricon: qmx: lholmquist: once you guys are ready, stage your archetype, clone the stacks.yml, open JIRA similar to JBIDE-13059
> (15:42:09) jbossbot: jira [JBIDE-13059] test the RichFaces Kitchensink archetype upgrade [Open (Unresolved) Component Upgrade, Major, Len DiMaggio] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-13059
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> So you should really use nexus' staging area to test the archetypes before doing the actual release.
That's actually my fault, we're working on fixing it right now.
TL;DR - I've missed one important step on our pre-release testing process, and b0rked that release **sighs**
Corrective actions are already taken for this to not happen again.
qmx--
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> Fred
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> Le 14/11/2012 20:12, Douglas Campos a écrit :
>> pushed to nexus, now we just need to wait it to sync to central
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>> On Nov 14, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Pete Muir wrote:
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>>> Great, just tell Rafael any updates you need on our end.
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>>> On 14 Nov 2012, at 16:59, Douglas Campos wrote:
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>>>> Pete, I'm cranking the release wheel today to fix this :)
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>>>> On Nov 14, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Pete Muir wrote:
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>>>>> On 13 Nov 2012, at 21:38, Fred Bricon wrote:
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>>>>>> Damn, the project still fails to build when you choose an enterprise
>>>>>> server. The archetype is really borked :-(
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>>>>>> For your demo, either :
>>>>>> - you stick with the community bits, it builds normally
>>>>>> - the JDF team rollbacks the archetype to version M5, so you can play
>>>>>> with both community & enterprise versions
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>>>>> You mean in stacks? If Aerogear team agrees, then yes we can do this today.
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>>>>>> - the Aerogear team releases a working M7 version *now* and the JDF
>>>>>> team updates the stacks.yml
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>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred Bricon
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>>>>>> Le mardi 13 novembre 2012 22:28:57, Burr Sutter a écrit :
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>>>>>>> Thank you - I will be able to test late tonight or tomorrow morning.
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>>>>>>> JBDS6 does not run on my mac so I have to get back to my Windows machine to test.
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>>>>>>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 3:36 PM, Fred Bricon wrote:
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>>>>>>>> As a temporary workaround, I disabled the arq-jbossas-remote profile on project creation . Created html5 project now builds OOTB... until you manually activate that profile.
>>>>>>>> Please refresh the project examples section in JBoss Central or restart your workspace.
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>>>>>>>> Le mardi 13 novembre 2012 18:41:32, Burr Sutter a écrit :
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>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
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>>>>>>>>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Fred Bricon wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> I'm stuck with the kids for the next 3hrs. After that, it'll take me 10 min to get it fixed.
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>>>>>>>>>> Le mardi 13 novembre 2012 16:05:57, Burr Sutter a écrit :
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>>>>>>>>>>> How quickly could this get fixed for me? I have a demo this Thursday but currently unable to use JBDS6 due to this one bug.
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>>>>>>>>>>> There may be other bugs behind this one - JBDS6 is not the most "stable" but the HTML5 archetype is a show-stopper for me right now.
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>>>>>>>>>>> It fails for AS7 and EAP6 - and I won't be able to "stop the recording", fix the problem and restart the recording.
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Fred Bricon wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Le mardi 13 novembre 2012 15:22:02, Burr Sutter a écrit :
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that a server-side fix? Or something that requires a new build/update?
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Server side :-)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Fred Bricon wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le lundi 12 novembre 2012 17:38:38, Max Rydahl Andersen a écrit :
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Fred/Snjezana,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Burr pointed me to JBIDE-12987 which indicates the html5 archetype currently deployed in JBDS is broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shit happens - but I Would like to be sure to understand where the culprit is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did this issue happen because:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A) we added an archetype without testing it to projectexamples.xml
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B) the jdf-stack side is referring to a broken html5 archetype ?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Actually the archetype referenced in stacks.yml is broken when you activate the arq-jbossas-remote profile and you're in enterprise mode.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The profile activation is done in projectexample.xm, which means we can decide to, temporarily, not activate that profile when creating the project. All we need is updating that example descriptor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We'd turn the profile back on once a fixed archetype is referenced in stacks
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...in both cases we need to improve our reaction/QA work on this (we as in jboss wide - not just us from tools)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before I hunt down the rightful owner could you enlighten me on wether its A or B from above ? (and if you got other info why it stopped working and suggestion to avoid it would be great)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /max
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately I am too busy multi-tasking to really nail this done.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The HTML5 archetype on JBoss Central in JBDS6 is broken which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty critical to my demos as well.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-12987
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2012, at 11:21 AM, André Dietisheim wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/2012 04:24 PM, Burr Sutter wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I seem to get a number of "would you like to wait" messages.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so you get these when the wizard reports it's waiting for the app to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become ready? if yes, then this is utterly weird. Applications
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should follow the naming scheme:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <application-name>-<domainname>.rhcloud.com
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you put openshift.redhat.com to your hosts file, then resolving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your apps should not get affected. Can you provide any further
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could alternatively run a liveCD in localhost and have some more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> funky hosts entry. The drawback is that the default liveCD does no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dynamic DNS-update so you'd have to add you app-namees into hosts,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - for now I will simply try to get JBDS6 to work with OpenShift
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if that acts up, fall back to JBDS5 + OpenShift Hosted - and
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to script, test and record a 20 minute demo of JBDS (ideally
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) My plan is to use one of the hosted versions of OpenShift like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openshift.redhat.com or int.openshift.redhat.com and perhaps play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some games with the hosts file on my Windows machine - do make it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look like " openshift.mycompany.com " or something like that, what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you think - might that work?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I added "54.243.111.12 openshift.local" to my hosts file and things
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a- Using the HTML5 archetype for JBoss Central
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> c- Might even consider making an edit to the screen to so the viewer
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d- Assuming my account is already pre-established, will use the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenShift Wizard on JBoss Central to push up my app - I will need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things to talk about while waiting - I will use a pre-establised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account because OSE has not yet figured out how they will enlist new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers - it won't be like the current self-provisioning model
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which creates a RHN account.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e- Now the app is "up in the cloud" - perhaps hit it with a real
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> f- Add a debug break point and step through some things in the HTML5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kitchensink app...in the cloud
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> g- I would love to show "auto-scaling" but I am not sure how to make
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> h- show off remote log access via OpenShift Explorer
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