[aerogear-dev] To Groovy or not to Groovy in integration tests

[Matthias Wessendorf]

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Daniel Bevenius
<daniel.bevenius at gmail.com>wrote:

> I personally don't have a problem with mixing languages when it comes to
> testing.
> The way I see it is users new to our project will probably not even look
> at tests at all to start with. Those that end up wanting to contribute will
> be exposed to them, but I think they would see this as a chance to learn
> some new techniques. At least this is how I would see it if I was in their
> shoes.
>

that is an interesting comment. I guess Java does (perhaps) lower the bar.
But... if there is something different (e.g. Spock/Groovy) it must have
been choosen for a specific reason. I think that would also increase my
interest. I think Dan has some very good thought there.



> I've not used Spock and would be interested in trying it to see if there
> is an advantage in using it.
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> On 16 July 2013 14:12, Bruno Oliveira <bruno at abstractj.org> wrote:
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>> I agree with Matthias and I'll summarize in one sentence about AGSEC. I
>> won't mix up any other language with Java, period.
>>
>> Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>> > Hi Karel,
>> >
>> > thanks for starting the thread and summarizing all the facts/statements
>> > from the previous discussion!
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Karel Piwko <kpiwko at redhat.com
>> > <mailto:kpiwko at redhat.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     Hi,
>> >
>> >     let me summarize the discussion from previous threads:
>> >
>> >     What were testing requirements?
>> >     * Do not mock
>> >     * Cover both backend and frontend testing at the same time
>> >     * Control test env from tests/Maven, so it runs on both CI and local
>> >     machine
>> >        without any setup required
>> >     => Those 3 requirements limited us to use Arquillian
>> >     * Cover unified push server specifications in readable way
>> >
>> >     Why Groovy instead of Java?
>> >     + Better support for JSON
>> >     + Spock provides very nice BDD support
>> >     + Still supports anything Java would do
>> >
>> >     What problems we faced with Groovy?
>> >     - Needs specific compiler - solved, configured for tests only
>> >     - Needs support in IDE - Intellij - ootb, Eclipse and NetBeans have
>> >        plugins
>> >     - Needs to be deployed in test deployment - not addressed now,
>> >     prolongs test
>> >        execution by few seconds per deployment
>> >
>> >     What are currently raised concerns?
>> >     - Different language for development and testing
>> >     - Raises bar for newcomers willing to write tests
>> >
>> >
>> > that's the 'concerns' I share as well: it a little burden on getting
>> > back contributions, since the source of the server is java.
>> >
>> >
>> > Also, what would happen if others decide let's add Ruby and also Perl
>> > for some sort of tests? That would mean a language nightmare, IMO :)
>> >
>> >
>> >     Thank you for additional advantages, concerns or proving some of
>> >     those are not
>> >     valid.
>> >
>> >     Karel
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