[aerogear-dev] Unified Push Server user management questions

Kris Borchers kris at redhat.com
Mon Jun 24 12:01:34 EDT 2013 

I would personally love to see us dive into Ember here but am happy to hear what others on the team think. I think it's a good opportunity to see what is different and show our stuff working with yet another JS framework since it doesn't seem like any single one is winning at the moment.

On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:

> So i'm going to use this thread to discuss if we have a requirement for what framework to use for the Admin UI console thing
> 
> Here are some choices, but not an exhaustive list:
> 
> Ember
> Backbone
> Angular
> Just Straight up HTML/JS/CSS
> Other Buzz Words
> 
> Since this is going to be part of the Push server( installed in an App server ) and not a quick start or showcase app, do we need to adhere to a specific framework?
> 
> 
> On Jun 21, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org> wrote:
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>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Deepali Khushraj <dkhushra at redhat.com> wrote:
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>> On Jun 21, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org> wrote:
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>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Deepali Khushraj <dkhushra at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> Just saw this email.  The updates look good. 
>>> 
>>> Matthias, also one question to you: can a single variant have multiple push networks (APNS, GCM etc) associated with it? All the examples in the spec have only a single push network associated with a "variant", so that part was not clear.  
>>> 
>>> The idea is:
>>> PushApp: Overall mobile App (e.g. "AeroGear Sports News").
>>> Variant: A _variation_ of this (for a specific target).  "AeroGear Sports News for iOS", "AeroGear Sports News for Android" or "AeroGear Sports News for Web".
>>> 
>>> Now... with a bit more "fine tuning" (e.g. the the user/company wants to be fancy and offer specific apps (to the app-store) for iPhone/iPad or Android Tablets/Phones"), these following "variants" could exist for the "AeroGear Sports News" Push Application:
>>> * "AeroGear Sports News for iPhone"
>>> * "AeroGear Sports News for iPad"
>>> * "AeroGear Sports News for iPad mini"
>>> * "AeroGear Sports News for Android-Table"
>>> * "AeroGear Sports News for Google-Glasses"
>>> 
>>> Since a variant targets a specific platform, there is no real sense in having the one variant supporting different PushNetworks. thins like that are group under a PushApplication (as explained above).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Does that make sense? Do you feel I need to be more clear on that in the spec ? 
>> 
>> Your approach sounds reasonable. Perhaps just a line in the spec, explicitly stating this, could be useful. 
>> 
>> Do you plan to allow the user to configure both dev and prod certificates of APNS for a single iOS variant?
>> 
>> 
>> yes. And I think Hylke's wireframes already indicate that 
>>  
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>>> 
>>> -Matthias
>>> 
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>>>  
>>> 
>>> D.
>>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 8:19 AM, Hylke Bons <hbons at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> I've updated the wireframes with the points raised, you can find it here: https://raw.github.com/hbons/aerogear-design/master/aerogear_unified_push_server_admin_ui.png
>>>> 
>>>> I'll address your feedback inline.
>>>> 
>>>> On 06/06/2013 01:38, Deepali Khushraj wrote:
>>>>> * It seems from the designs that the user can add only a single OS-specific variant per app. For example, I can create "Mobile HR" app with a single "HR iOS" variant,  but not two variants like "HR iPad" and "HR iPhone free". I believe Matthias' lexicon states such multiple variants are possible per app. . 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think the way you've done is fine. However, if we choose this path then, I think, we need to update the specification and ensure the REST API won't allow multiple OS-specific variants per app, otherwise, they can't be shown in the UI.  
>>>>> 
>>>> I forgot a to add this usecase. This can now be done in the "Variants" tab.
>>>> 
>>>>> * Apple's Push network has prod and dev environment options, a flag would be useful.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Two certificate files can now be provided: one for production and one for development. Any of the two can be used by mobile apps whether they're deployed or for debugging purposes.
>>>> 
>>>>> * The terms "Instance" and "Variant" will be unfamiliar terminologies to a new user. A help icon on the screen or just some text explaining the meanings of these terms to new comers would be helpful
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Terminology suggestion:
>>>>>  Instance -> "Active user instances" or just "User instances"
>>>>> 
>>>> I've changed this to "Mobile Instances" for now, but we can discuss this.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> * I found the name "Variants and Push Networks" confusing. I would suggest we use one :) 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Push Networks it is.
>>>> 
>>>>> * I noticed you added links to download client SDKs, which is great. I think a link to the Sender REST API spec would be useful too.
>>>>> 
>>>> I think this is something we need to fix on the aerogear.org website itself. There should be easy access from the downloads to the API as a "next step".
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> * I found our iOS  tutorial to be really helpful. It got the user up and running really quickly. This is something I struggled with Urban Airship and other services. Linking ours to the console could be a real value add to first-time users 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> * We need to check the security aspect of showing end-user emails in the instances tab to the developers of the app. 
>>>>> 
>>>> Like mentioned by Matthias, this can be anything, not just email addressses. It depends on how the developer sets the system up.
>>>> 
>>>>> * Also, if an app gets really popular then this list will likely be really long, like thousands of users. Not sure if our console could handle that. I think this feature of being able to see instances is great in "development mode" or during apps' "beta testing" though.
>>>>> 
>>>> It can be a long list and we probably will have to add pagination and filtering. The main usecase here is removing instances to stop them from receiving new push notifications.
>>>> 
>>>>> * Is the check-mark in first screen used to make an app active Vs inactive?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It was to to select applications and perform actions on them. I already thought this would be confusing, so I removed them now. An app is active when it has at least one push network enabled.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> * I like that you show the variants summary in first screen, wondering if we could use icons there for iOS, Android & web.
>>>> 
>>>> Yep, potentially.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> * I was wondering if we could consider some UX ideas for first-time user experience. I imagine a lot of users using this service would never have used Push before, so they may need some hand holding and the UI is a great way to start that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> Yes, I've added some paragraphs to make things more friendlier, but there's room for improvement. We can fix this as we go.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the feedback. It's been really useful!
>>>> 
>>>> Hylke
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