[aerogear-dev] Imporovements to Push Server draft (Was: Some questions about the Unified Push Server...)

Wed May 29 13:39:56 EDT 2013

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc at gmail.com>wrote:

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> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org>wrote:
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>> Almost :)
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>> Hybrid would not use SimplePush :) It would use GCM (Cordova on Android)
>> or APNs (Cordova on iOS).
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> Speaking of this, shouldn't we be thinking on how we could provide a
> smooth migration for the developer who has a pure web app (using push and
> in this case in combo with SimplePush) and who wants to turn it into a
> hybrid app ? How can we manage keeping as much as possible a common base
> code ?
>  I can see here maybe some space  for tooling : like a push-migration
> forge plugin ...
>

yeah, but lets discuss that in a different thread.

Generally, using our polyfill w/ Cordova should not be a problem at all

-M

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>> 2)
>> "Adds iOS, Android or SimplePush variant", ok ?
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>> 4) Let's use the SimplePush (not Simple Push)
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>> Mozilla writes it that way as well:
>> https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI/SimplePush
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>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Hylke Bons <hbons at redhat.com> wrote:
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>>>  Here's the updated graphic:
>>> https://github.com/hbons/aerogear-design/blob/master/aerogear_unified_push_server.png
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>>> Hylke
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>>> On 29/05/2013 16:57, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
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>>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Hylke Bons <hbons at redhat.com> wrote:
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>>>>  On 29/05/2013 16:42, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
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>>>>
>>>>  wow - I like the graphic. A few more "corrections"
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>>>>  1) Developers can also add "SimplePush variant"
>>>>  2) How about "Mobile application (aka MobileVariantInstance), running
>>>> on the device, register themselves using a token" ?
>>>>
>>>>  Sure, I'll fix that.
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>>>>
>>>  cool
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>>>>    3) I think JBoss AS backend server makes sense here - however, it
>>>> can be bloody PHP app as well :)
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>>>>  True, I think this is a minor detail and it's better to mention that
>>>> as an annotation to the image? Something like "This graphic shows the
>>>> interactions between Push Applications and the Unified Push Server using a
>>>> JBoss backend as an example.".
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>>>  yep
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>>>>   4) Possible to add a "cloud" to represent the different push
>>>> networks (for iOS(APNs), for Android (GCM) and SimplePush) ?
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>>>>    I don't draw clouds. ;)
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>>>  LOL
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>>>>  Are you refering to the word "PushNetworks"? I think it does make
>>>> sense to have an extra step in the graphic there, but don't think it should
>>>> be a cloud. :)
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>>>  Yeah, I was talking about the different PushNetworks, involved. Not
>>> sure if it needs to be a "cloud". But they are considered cloud services :)
>>> Feel free to draw something else :)
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>>>  Thanks for the efforts!
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>>>> Thanks,
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>>>> Hylke
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>>>>  Makes sense ?
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>>>>>
>>>>> (it may make sense to have a dedicated design repo in the Github
>>>>> organisation?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know what you think and I'll create a pull request if it gets
>>>>> the go ahead.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  yeah, let's have a PR (perhaps with an updated version of the image)
>>>> ?
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>>>>
>>>>  -M
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hylke
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>>>>> On 29/05/2013 10:17, Hylke Bons wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks! Makes sense. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hylke
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29/05/2013 06:49, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Hylke,
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Admin user: This should be 'Developer', mentioned in the spec
>>>>> document you are referring to (looks like a typo)
>>>>> 2) UnifiedPush Server: Yes, that gray thing is basically the UP Server
>>>>> 3) yes, backend does not need to run on the same machine.
>>>>> --> The UP-server could be deployed in the cloud and backends (hosted
>>>>> somewhere else), can access it. That's why the UP-server has HTTP
>>>>> interfaces. So even a PHP application could send messages to it.
>>>>>
>>>>>  -Matthias
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Hylke Bons <hbons at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...overview graphic found on
>>>>>> http://staging.aerogear.org/docs/specs/aerogear-server-push/.
>>>>>> I've annoted my questions in an image as they're worth a thousand
>>>>>> words. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hylke
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