[aerogear-dev] AeroGear.js without jQuery Discussion

Miiguel Lemos miguel21op at gmail.com
Mon Mar 24 20:17:21 EDT 2014 

Me? No! When jQuery gets in, I get out ;-)

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No dia 24/03/2014, às 23:46, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> escreveu:

> 
>> On Mar 24, 2014, at 5:09 PM, Miiguel Lemos <miguel21op at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Meanwhile: there are several possibilities to build a customized (smaller) jQuery library.
>> For instance:
>> 
>> http://projects.jga.me/jquery-builder/
> 
> yup,  and since we don't package jQuery with our JS libs,  you could use that to build a smaller build
> 
>> 
>> Enviado do meu iPad
>> 
>> No dia 24/03/2014, às 17:11, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> escreveu:
>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> That's why I mentioned When.js  for an eventual 2.0 fallback lib 
>>>> "When.js is a rock solid, battle-tested Promises/A+ and when() implementation, including a complete ES6 Promise shim"
>>> 
>>> if we do it right,  a user could use any promise lib that is to spec
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 24, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 24, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 24, 2014, at 10:10 AM, tolis emmanouilidis <tolisemm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-03-24 15:39 GMT+02:00 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that it would be nice to implement AGJS-70 (Investigate removing jQuery requirement). Meanwhile, there is an open source project on GitHub that claims to offer a custom builder for jQuery in order to include only the modules needed [1] [2]. I haven't tried it yet but maybe we could create a custom jQuery build which includes only the parts currently needed in AeroGear. This would mean a smaller size of the jQuery dependency. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The AG lib depends on a few parts of jQuery, the biggest being jQuery.Ajax and the promise implementation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i know we can make custom builds of jQuery pretty easily( building from source ),  but i don't really want to bundle it within our lib.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and i don't think with bower we can do this easily. although they did just add a post install hook, so perhaps that could be something to look at.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Datamanager only uses the promise implementation of jQuery( and some random thing for the filter method,  which could probably be updated ).  
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Promises are starting to become available natively in browsers and jQuery doesn't use the Promise/A+ spec,  so it could be harder to fallback without a shim of some kind
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Good to know. Thanks for providing this info.
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds reasonable to 'wait' on the promise side of things, and use that bit in the datamanager
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> there are other promise implementations that we could use, that are to spec,  such as Q and RSVP,  here is the link to the HTML5 rocks article  
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/es6/promises/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> These last days I have been playing with the library When provided by Cujo, it's maybe also worth looking https://github.com/cujojs/when
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> not sure I see value in using a different library as a temporary thing. Once the API is part of the browser platform, the need for [yet another js lib] goes away.
>>>>>>> I know but I'm more concerned about  "Once the API is part of the browser platform" When will that happen and does it match with our roadmap ? Was also to offer a polyfill for older browser if we want to keep supporting them.
>>>>>> i will have to update the roadmap.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2.0 would be a nice time to "fully" switch,  but we can start experimenting now and maybe for 1.5 can have some implemenation for data manager only.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Current Chrome has Promise's enable by default and it looks like FireFox 29( next version ) will too.  Safari and IE are in dev i believe
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> for fallback we can still make use of jQuery i think because of this method here  "Promise.cast",  
>>>>> 
>>>>> please strike this comment from the record,  i'm an idiot :)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> although the closest lib to the spec is RSVP( maybe this could be the 2.0 fallback if we remove jQuery from the whole lib )
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> while i don't really want to reinvent the wheel in terms of Ajax,  it might be interesting to take a look.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, IMO worth to look there, for reducing dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -M
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  I think in a previous ML thread about what 2.0 looked like,  that Pipeline would maybe just be a JSON only thing, with exception for multipart
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> @Lucas Thanks for making things clear
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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