[Aerogear-users] Unified Push Server - Anyway to delete notifications when in background?
rob.aerogear at robertwillett.com
Wed Nov 25 07:30:22 EST 2015
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
Great minds think alike :)
We have already worked through this as an option and it is probably the
likeliest way forward for us. Indeed your notes and ours are almost
You (or Corrine) have correctly identified the pitfalls regarding
background and foreground. There is one other case and thats when the
app is not actually started up. We still want to send them notifications
(at least for a while) alerting them to traffic issues. After a day or
so, we’ll throttle back these notifications but at least for a few
hours or a day, we need to send them out. We can’t use the
content-available flag as the app isn’t running (in either bg or fg)
to handle the flag. So we have to try to work out if the app is
‘alive’ or not, if the app is not alive we send down full-fat
notifications, this means no content-available flag and full information
to be displayed in the notification drawer.
Our potential solution has us send out a single silent notification to
everybody who needs to be sent one. The device segmentation to determine
who gets information is already done by us. The payload for the silent
notification is actually empty and its used as a signalling mechanism.
This tells the app when it is in the fg or bg to phone home and get a
specific payload for that user. When the app contacts the backend
database to retrieve the payload, we flag the app as alive and working.
If we send out a silent notification but never get a response to get a
payload, then we flag the app as not started. After every batch of
silent notifications are sent, 60 secs later, we then do a second cycle
looking at whether the devices have NOT responded. If the app has not
responded then we move to full notifications for that device and don’t
use content-available. Once the user clicks on a notification and starts
the app up, we can see that and we move them into the ‘alive’ state,
so next time we send silent notifications.
The process diagram is a lot simpler than my explanation :)
The other reason for sending a single silent notification with little
information in and to get the app to respond to that single notification
is quite subtle and appears on the surface to be counter intuitive. We
*could* send down batches of notifications and so each device could
receive 3-4 notifications. This would mean that since we cannot predict
the order of the notifications or even if they arrive, we would have to
constantly be sending data back to our server telling us that the app is
alive. We would have 2-3 times the number of connections coming back in
which need to be processed very quickly. Our system is quite bursty,
nothing happens for 3-4 minutes and then all hell breaks lose as we have
to manage everything in around 30 secs. Also we are relying on every
notification getting through we would be sending a lot of data which you
have correctly identified as potentially an issue as well.
We also looked at sending our highly specific payloads, i.e. each user
getting one message but that one message has 3-4 notifications in it.
This would mean we have to process, generate and send thousands of
individual messages. We know we can generate the individual messages
quite quickly, but the the network connection costs are too high (so we
believe). Simply connecting to the servers, opening the connection,
sending and tearing the connection down could take a long time
(minutes?) for 5,000 users. We don’t want to spread the connection
time out, we want the data to get to the user ASAP.
If your views are different on the time take not do this, I’d be
interested in hearing them as we believe the connection time would be
too long. Since we don’t have 5,000 users we can’t easily test our
On 25 Nov 2015, at 10:50, Erik Jan de Wit wrote:
> Hi Rob,
> Like Matthias already told you on Android managing notifications and
> changing how they look is much simpler then on iOS. On iOS you can
> all the remote notifications, but not some.
> Corrine had this idea: send your notifications as 'background
> notifications' (e.g. 'content-available' flag set) then your app will
> notified, but nothing will show up in the Notification area. You can
> local notifications to create the notification in the notification
> because these you can cancel. You decide how they show up and even
> them. The cordova plugin to create local notifications is called
> 'cordova-plugin-local-notifications' 
> So you will have to deal with the complexities of background
> for this to work, but to determine if the app is in the foreground
> when the
> background notification arrives there is a boolean on the notification
> help 
> Although I must advise you sending large volumes of messages might not
> be a
> great way to use push notifications, it's meant to inform the user
> something important has happened it should be personal and engage the
> users. Users could also opt to turn off the push notifications so you
> use it to transfer data.
> Hope this helps
>  https://github.com/katzer/cordova-plugin-local-notifications
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Matthias Wessendorf
> <matzew at apache.org>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Rob Willett <
>> rob.aerogear at robertwillett.com> wrote:
>>> We’ve got the Unified Push Server working on the OpenShift
>>> No real issues once we’d understood the point of aliases.
>>> We can send notifications quite happily and see whats going on. We
>>> Perl for our backend servers and so we wrote a small Perl interface.
>>> anybody wants the code for the Perl interface let me know and
>>> pass it on. We can’t claim a lot of credit for a simple piece of
>> sure, I think that would be awesome, if you could publish it on
>> We will promote if for other perl users!
>>> Anyway, one of edge use-cases would be to delete notification or set
>>> notifications when the app is running but in the background on iOS.
>>> We want to do this as the user can receive a high number of
>>> notifications (> 10) when the app is in the background.
>>> come in groups and provide traffic updates, so a user may get a new
>>> group of 3-4 traffic updates, this new group completely supersedes
>>> previous update. Our data is valuable when fresh and useless when
>>> 10 minutes old.
>>> Whilst we can simply ignore old notifications, UX testing has shown
>>> users don’t like having old notifications sitting round. We know
>>> the users can delete them individually or delete the lot from the
>>> notification drawer OR can simply bring the app out of the
>>> BUT they don’t like doing that.
>>> So what we want to do is delete old notifications, we were hoping
>>> identify notifications by a group or something, but we could accept
>>> deleting the lot and inserting local notifications instead.
>>> We know that we can send content-available and have stuff pulled
>>> from a
>>> server in the background. This option is quite difficult for us and
>>> some complexity identifying when the app is not started up. The
>>> option is delete some or all of the notifications.
>>> Does anybody know if this is possible or any other suggestions?
>> I think that's an interesting idea. Erik Jan recently did an update
>> message, on Cordova, to actually stack em:
>> Perhaps we could have a 'delete' feature too. Mind filing a JIRA
>> (you need to have an account in order create tickets)
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