[cdi-dev] Scoped CDI Events?

[Martin Kouba]

Hi Adam,

comments inline...

Dne 29.8.2012 14:43, Adam Bien napsal(a):
> Hi *,
>
> it would mean:
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> If you are sending an event from a @RequestScoped bean all @SessionScoped observes (= all sessions) would receive that? Or more precisely ALL observes are intended to receive an event regardless of their scope?

Yes.

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> If so: in the spec an injection of @Dependent Event is mentioned:
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> "10.3.2. The built-in Event
> The container must provide a built-in bean with:
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> 	• Event<X> in its set of bean types, for every Java type X that does not contain a type variable,
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> 	• every event qualifier type in its set of qualifier types,
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>>> 	• scope @Dependent, <<
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> 	• no bean EL name, and
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> 	• an implementation provided automatically by the container.
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> ..."

This is the built-in bean used to fire events (an alternative to BeanManager#fireEvent()).

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> It implies, that only observes belonging to the same scope would be notified. Otherwise this information is irrelevant,

No, I don't think so. It only says that if you use built-in bean Event to fire events, it will depend on the bean where you inject it.

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>
> thanks!,
>
> adam
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> On 29.08.2012, at 13:54, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
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>> Resolution and scoping are orthogonal concepts in CDI. I'm not aware of a use case that is well addressed by considering scope as part of resolution.
>>
>> On 29 Aug 2012, at 11:43, Martin Kouba wrote:
>>
>>> No. It will be delivered to any matching observer method - belongs to an enabled bean, the event object is assignable to the observed event type and the observer method has all the event qualifiers (CDI 1.0). In CDI 1.1 qualifier matching rules will likely change: "The observer method has no event qualifiers or has a subset of the event qualifiers".
>>>
>>> (see 10.2. Observer resolution)
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> Dne 29.8.2012 12:32, Adam Bien napsal(a):
>>>> HI Martin,
>>>>
>>>> sure. But will the unmanaged payload be delivered only to observers belonging to the same scope as the sender?
>>>>
>>>> I didn't found any mention in the spec about that...
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> adam
>>>> On 29.08.2012, at 12:14, Martin Kouba <mkouba at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Adam, Arne,
>>>>>
>>>>> The built-in Event bean is not stateless, it's @Dependent. The event payload - the event object - is really not managed and thus not scoped (and should not be IMHO). I also think the event object should be immutable since the order in which observer methods are called is not defined...
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dne 29.8.2012 12:06, Arne Limburg napsal(a):
>>>>>> Hi Adam,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you talking about the injected Event object or about the payload?
>>>>>> The Event object is stateless so the scope does not matter.
>>>>>> And the payload is not managed at all.
>>>>>> So, I'm afraid, I can't see your issue here?
>>>>>> Could you provide a use case for a scoped event?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Arne
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 29.08.12 11:49 schrieb "Adam Bien" unter <abien at adam-bien.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi *,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't found in the CDI 1.0 spec a mention of the scope of CDI events.
>>>>>>> There is also no mention of scopes in the Observer Resolution section.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are CDI events scoped?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does observer resolution depend on the scope of the injected Event
>>>>>>> instance?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Should we refine/clarify that in the CDI 1.1 spec?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't found an explicit mail in the archives either,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks and sorry in case the issue is already resolved,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> adam
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