[cdi-dev] Fwd: [jsr342-experts] CDI in Application Client Container
Mark Struberg
struberg at yahoo.de
Tue Nov 13 08:04:34 EST 2012
A 2-edged sword.
Of course this is clearly a bug in the EE-6 spec and not in CDI.
Otoh I don't like to have the EE umbrella spec impose rules on a CDI container. They really are not allowed to impose such rules on CDI in the first place, isn't?
LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message -----
> From: Pete Muir <pmuir at bleepbleep.org.uk>
> To: cdi-dev at lists.jboss.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:45 AM
> Subject: [cdi-dev] Fwd: [jsr342-experts] CDI in Application Client Container
>
> All,
>
> It's come to light that whilst the CDI spec explicitly does not require
> support for the Java EE client container, the Java EE spec does require support
> for it. There are no TCK tests for this.
>
> The Java EE spec leads would like to rectify this by changing the CDI spec to
> require support for it, however, I would prefer to alter the Java EE spec and
> recognise this as a bug in the Java EE spec. IMO this relates very closely to
> Java SE support, which I we want to address in CDI 2, not in 1.1.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Jason Greene <jason.greene at redhat.com>
>> Subject: [jsr342-experts] Re: CDI in Application Client Container
>> Date: 12 November 2012 23:58:17 GMT
>> To: jsr342-experts at javaee-spec.java.net
>>
>> We purposefully did not include support for the app client container in the
> CDI spec, mainly because it has low usage, there are numerous differences in
> container implementations, SE support was politically unpopular at the time, and
> we were waiting to see what happened with modularity.
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Bill Shannon <bill.shannon at oracle.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Sigh...
>>>
>>> It appears that we neither implemented nor tested support for CDI in
> the app client container. Clearly something we'll need to fix for EE 7, if
> not sooner.
>>>
>>> Bill Shannon wrote on 11/09/2012 04:47 PM:
>>>> Yes, based on the Java EE 6 platform spec, I intended and expected
> CDI to work in the app client container.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to find out what we actually implemented and
> tested... :-)
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Goncalves wrote on 11/09/12 14:10:
>>>>> Ok, good to know. But that means that all ACC implementations
> should support it then ? As Pete said, looks like the JBoss one doesn't....
>>>>>
>>>>> I found the mail I sent to the GlassFish forum a couple of
> years ago about this topic
> (http://www.java.net/forum/topic/glassfish/glassfish/using-cdi-acc-se-environment).
> I'll be doing more test to make sure and fill a bug if needed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Bill Shannon
> <bill.shannon at oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>> CDI is supposed to be supported in the app client container.
> If it's not working, please file bugs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Antonio Goncalves wrote on 11/09/12 06:09:
>>>>>> Hum.... for me it's just another container (EJB,
> Servlet & Client) so I would expect the same services from CDI. ACC is not
> plain Java SE, it's a container that gives you a small set of services, and
> that includes CDI (as per Java EE specification).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill/Linda, if CDI is not supported in ACC why not getting
> rid of it in Figure EE.2-1 ? It's confusing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Antonio
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Pete Muir
> <pmuir at bleepbleep.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> This also ties in to more general Java SE support for CDI
> IMO. I would probably prefer to get a general solution sorted, rather than a
> special case for ACC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9 Nov 2012, at 14:56, Antonio Goncalves wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like to use Producers and Alternatives so I can
> easily switch context. In the case of having CDI in ACC that would allow me to
> invoke different Web Serivces just by changing beans.xml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Pete Muir
> <pmuir at bleepbleep.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> It's not in the cdi tck so I doubt it is in jboss
> as.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nigel's point about scopes is very relevant.
>>>>>>> On 9 Nov 2012 14:03, "Antonio Goncalves"
> <antonio.goncalves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm not an ACC expert, but I do use it once in a
> while. But to be honest, I don't know why it doesn't work. If you look
> at the EE spec (eg. EE 7 - Figure EE.2-1) you see that CDI & DI is in the
> ACC. But on the other hand, the CDI 1.0 spec (12.1. Bean archives) says
> "The container is not required to support application client jar bean
> archives." I tried several time with the appclient from GlassFish, and CDI
> just doesn't work (wonder if JBoss ACC allows CDI or not). The "is not
> required" part is frustrating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Antonio
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Pete Muir
> <pmuir at bleepbleep.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm not an expert in the ACC, so would need a ACC
> expert who knows CDI to help us define the behavior. Interested Antonio?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9 Nov 2012, at 12:41, Antonio Goncalves wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't seen
> any discussion on this topic. In Java EE 6 CDI doesn't work in ACC.
> Wouldn't it be useful to add it in EE 7 ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A use case I'm working on at the moment is that
> I have a Java SE class (running in ACC) that injects a web service reference
> with @WebServiceRef. With CDI enabled I could produce this reference and just
> @Inject it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Web site | Twitter | LinkedIn | Paris JUG | Devoxx
> France
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Web site | Twitter | LinkedIn | Paris JUG | Devoxx
> France
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Web site | Twitter | LinkedIn | Paris JUG | Devoxx
> France
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web site | Twitter | LinkedIn | Paris JUG | Devoxx France
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>
>>>>> Web site | Twitter | LinkedIn | Paris JUG | Devoxx France
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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