[cdi-dev] [JBoss JIRA] (CDI-408) bean-discovery-mode="annotated" and Producers/Observers in @Dependent beans

[Jens Schumann (JIRA)]

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Jens Schumann commented on CDI-408:
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(Even though my vote will not count) I vote for option 1 but we will be happy with option 3 if documentation takes place in MR 1.2.

Just in case we go with option 3 I will create a new ticket containing option 1 for CDI 2.0;).
Thanks for the discussion.
                
> bean-discovery-mode="annotated" and Producers/Observers in @Dependent beans
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>                 Key: CDI-408
>                 URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-408
>             Project: CDI Specification Issues
>          Issue Type: Clarification
>          Components: Beans
>            Reporter: Jens Schumann
>            Assignee: Antoine Sabot-Durand
>              Labels: CDI_spec_chge
>             Fix For: 1.2 Proposed
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> Right now bean-discovery-mode="annotated" skips beans that are not annotated with an bean-defining annotation even if they contain an observer method or producer method/field. I would not recommend having (not annotated) @Dependent beans with @Observes or @Produces - I just had them by accident while playing around with Wildfly.
> However there are two impacts:
> 1. Someone might be confused by ignored @Producer's. Not a major issue here, the CDI runtime will report it. We could optionally document the behavior in the spec, so it's clear to everyone. However I think it's inconsistent, since @Produces may contain a scope (and has a default scope too). Therefore I would vote for @Produces support in bean-discovery-mode="annotated". Of course the enclosing class is not a managed bean that may be injected somewhere.
> 2. Since Observer methods in "not annotated" beans fail silently this can be a major issue for applications, especially if you migrate from CDI 1.0 (CDI 1.0 source code and CDI 1.0 thinking model). Therefore I believe @Observer methods have to be included in bean-discovery-mode="annotated" even if the enclosing bean does not have a bean-defining annotation. Of course the enclosing class is not a managed bean that may be injected somewhere.
> I understand that the proposal above might have negative impacts on class scanning performance in bean-discovery-mode="annotated". However silently failing @Observes can be a major cause of defects that have to be treated because of technical and political reasons. Technical - because it may cause bugs. And political - because in my experience many people are still skeptical that CDI events are a trustworthy achievement[1]. Possibly skipped observer methods won't make live easier.
> If you believe the proposal would kill the original intent of bean-discovery-mode="annotated" please document the impact for Producers and Observers in the spec and even in the XSD.
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> [1] I have trained a couple hundred people in using CDI and CDI events. And every time I have to argument against the uncertainty on event delivery: "How do I know which observers are active?", "Who ensures that event's are delivered?"... I personally LOVE events;)
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> Btw: Which JIRA version is CDI 1.1 Final? 

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