[cdi-dev] Clarify scopes and serialization

Tue Feb 3 05:14:38 EST 2015

@Werner: can you explain your point, I dont get it, you keep speaking
about certification and it is not my point at all. Being certified is
good but better is to be usable

Romain Manni-Bucau
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2015-02-03 11:13 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com>:
> Mark might know in more detail, he brought it up.
>
> As both EC and EE (6-8) JSR Member I certainly have a lot to do with this,
> but neither is responsible for details of product certification;-)
>
> Werner
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> servlet spec requirement is only for distributed systems AFAIK == not
>> required in most of instances.
>> tomee supports both and is aligned on tomcat for all tomee flavors and
>> is serialization-less in openejb flavors
>>
>> That said this is not a certification question but a usage question
>>
>>
>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> @rmannibucau
>> http://www.tomitribe.com
>> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
>> https://github.com/rmannibucau
>>
>>
>> 2015-02-03 10:59 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com>:
>> > What about TomEE?
>> > After all it's Java EE 6 certified:
>> >
>> > http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javaee/overview/compatibility-jsp-136984.html
>> >
>> > So as Mark mentioned briefly, there is a requirement by the Servlet
>> > spec, so
>> > I assume it is either always on or at least on by default (otherwise a
>> > TomEE
>> > "tweaked" like that would no longer be Java EE compliant;-)
>> >
>> > Tomcat itself was never certified.
>> >
>> > Werner
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:39 AM, <cdi-dev-request at lists.jboss.org> wrote:
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>> >> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 16:50:44 +0100
>> >> From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [cdi-dev] Clarify scopes and serialization
>> >> To: Mark Struberg <struberg at yahoo.de>
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>> >> in a standard tomcat yes but not in most of embedded ones...and that's
>> >> not the point anyway
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> >> @rmannibucau
>> >> http://www.tomitribe.com
>> >> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
>> >> https://github.com/rmannibucau
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2015-02-02 16:50 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <struberg at yahoo.de>:
>> >> > but you HAVE to manually switch it off. By _default_ the
>> >> > serialization
>> >> > is on...
>> >> >
>> >> > LieGrue,
>> >> > strub
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Monday, 2 February 2015, 16:42, Romain Manni-Bucau
>> >> >> <rmannibucau at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > @Mark: that's not true. 1) you can switch it off + I mainly spoke
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> embedded case where it is true in 80% of cases
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> >> >> @rmannibucau
>> >> >> http://www.tomitribe.com
>> >> >> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
>> >> >> https://github.com/rmannibucau
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2015-02-02 16:38 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <struberg at yahoo.de>:
>> >> >>>  Romain, that's not true. Tomcat by default ALWAYS serializes the
>> >> >> session at shutdown! Even if you don't have a cluster set up. This
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> also
>> >> >> required by the Servlets spec...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>  LieGrue,
>> >> >>>  strub
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
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