[cdi-dev] Clarify scopes and serialization

Tue Feb 3 05:22:05 EST 2015

Guess Jozef pretty much hit the point, I don't care about the sticker or
label you may put on your laptop or product, but a compatible behavior
allowing users to deploy against as many available containers as possible
with minimal or no changes at all;-)

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Jozef Hartinger <jharting at redhat.com>
wrote:

> If we want applications to be portable across different implementations
> then the spec should require the least common multiple - that is beans that
> belong to passivating scopes being serializable. TomEE/OWB is free to have
> a mode in which passivation requirements are not checked if the server runs
> in non-passivating mode.
>
>
> On 02/03/2015 11:03 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
>
>> servlet spec requirement is only for distributed systems AFAIK == not
>> required in most of instances.
>> tomee supports both and is aligned on tomcat for all tomee flavors and
>> is serialization-less in openejb flavors
>>
>> That said this is not a certification question but a usage question
>>
>>
>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> @rmannibucau
>> http://www.tomitribe.com
>> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
>> https://github.com/rmannibucau
>>
>>
>> 2015-02-03 10:59 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> What about TomEE?
>>> After all it's Java EE 6 certified:
>>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javaee/
>>> overview/compatibility-jsp-136984.html
>>>
>>> So as Mark mentioned briefly, there is a requirement by the Servlet
>>> spec, so
>>> I assume it is either always on or at least on by default (otherwise a
>>> TomEE
>>> "tweaked" like that would no longer be Java EE compliant;-)
>>>
>>> Tomcat itself was never certified.
>>>
>>> Werner
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:39 AM, <cdi-dev-request at lists.jboss.org> wrote:
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>>>>     1. Re: Clarify scopes and serialization (Mark Struberg)
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>>>>     4. Re: Clarify scopes and serialization (Romain Manni-Bucau)
>>>>     5. Re: Async events. We need ideas to improve CDI-499
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>>>> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 16:50:44 +0100
>>>> From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [cdi-dev] Clarify scopes and serialization
>>>> To: Mark Struberg <struberg at yahoo.de>
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>>>> in a standard tomcat yes but not in most of embedded ones...and that's
>>>> not the point anyway
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>> @rmannibucau
>>>> http://www.tomitribe.com
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2015-02-02 16:50 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <struberg at yahoo.de>:
>>>>
>>>>> but you HAVE to manually switch it off. By _default_ the serialization
>>>>> is on...
>>>>>
>>>>> LieGrue,
>>>>> strub
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Monday, 2 February 2015, 16:42, Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>>>> <rmannibucau at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Mark: that's not true. 1) you can switch it off + I mainly spoke of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> embedded case where it is true in 80% of cases
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>>>> @rmannibucau
>>>>>> http://www.tomitribe.com
>>>>>> http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com
>>>>>> https://github.com/rmannibucau
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2015-02-02 16:38 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <struberg at yahoo.de>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Romain, that's not true. Tomcat by default ALWAYS serializes the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> session at shutdown! Even if you don't have a cluster set up. This is
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> required by the Servlets spec...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   LieGrue,
>>>>>>>   strub
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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