[cdi-dev] Concurrency Control
Emily Jiang
EMIJIANG at uk.ibm.com
Fri Feb 26 04:32:20 EST 2016
Hi Reza,
I understand your frustration. I would suggest you raising a CDI jira to
get all options discussed. Any objections?
Many thanks,
Emily
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Emily Jiang
WebSphere Application Server, CDI Development Lead
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From: Reza Rahman <reza_rahman at lycos.com>
To: Emily Jiang/UK/IBM at IBMGB,
Cc: cdi-dev at lists.jboss.org
Date: 25/02/2016 23:01
Subject: Re: [cdi-dev] Concurrency Control
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This is not just a problem with this one feature but a much broader one
involving @Asynchronous, @Schedule and many others. Simply punting on this
problem and not dealing with this class of problems vigorously is rather
foolish. It winds up doing what it has done for years - undermining pretty
much all efforts related to Java EE, especially compared to the velocity
and effectiveness by which the clear competitors to everything Java EE
solve these issues. In the end, we are collectively to blame for the
dismal state of affairs in Java EE land because of this sort of thing.
On Feb 25, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Emily Jiang <EMIJIANG at uk.ibm.com> wrote:
It would be nice if JavaEE Concurrency defines @Lock as a CDI interceptor,
similar to @Transactional . Since the JavaEE Concurrency spec is stale as
per you and Raze point out, how about experiment in DeltaSpike? If
DeltaSpike provides the support of @Lock, maybe it can be pushed to JavaEE
concurrency as part of EE8 update. If not, maybe CDI should define an
addendum for EE integration. I think we should seriously think about this.
Many thanks,
Emily
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Emily Jiang
WebSphere Application Server, CDI Development Lead
MP 211, DE3A20, Winchester, Hampshire, England, SO21 2JN
Phone: +44 (0)1962 816278 Internal: 246278
Email: emijiang at uk.ibm.com
Lotus Notes: Emily Jiang/UK/IBM at IBMGB
From: Stephan Knitelius <stephan at knitelius.com>
To: Reza Rahman <reza_rahman at lycos.com>, Martin Kouba <
mkouba at redhat.com>,
Cc: cdi-dev at lists.jboss.org
Date: 25/02/2016 20:26
Subject: Re: [cdi-dev] Concurrency Control
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Hi Martin,
yes this particular issue is about concurrent access control. You are
right in pointing out that the lock should be applied
to the whole been and only override-able on a per method basis (similar to
EJB Singleton style locking).
Regarding conversation context, its fair enough to point-out that weld
allows for configure the conversation lock timeout.
However this is only true for Weld, this should really be made part of the
specification.
Even if we were to specify a standard way to configure conversation locked
timeouts in the CDI specification, it would
still make the conversation scope the odd one out of the lot. Hence it
would be more sensible to design a
common way to handle concurrent access.
Also I would argue that you cannot implement a common concurrent access
control via interceptors,
since the container will preempt any interceptor based attempt for
conversation scoped beans.
As Reza pointed out Oracle has no intend to reopen "Concurrency Utilities
for Java EE" at this time and is not
willing to hand it over to anyone else. The same seems to be true for JTA.
Stephan
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 at 15:50 Reza Rahman <reza_rahman at lycos.com> wrote:
Oracle has pretty much clearly stated it has absolutely no intention of
updating the Java EE Concurrency Utilities specification any time soon. My
guess is that it will also never allow anyone else to update it either
since it owns that specification. If this is a valuable feature to the
community (which I definitely think it is) I strongly suggest taking
advantage of the fact that this is a gray area and include it in a modular
CDI specification so this feature doesn't continue to remain locked into
EJB for Java EE users that need to more effectively use things like
@Stereotype for service composition.
> On Feb 25, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Martin Kouba <mkouba at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Stephan,
>
> I like the idea of CDI interceptor solution you're proposing in your
> blogpost [1]. However, concurrency is a difficult topic. First of all,
> this only solves concurrent access to the bean instance (i.e.
> method-level locking) - the bean state is always up to the user. Also
> I'm not so sure it's a good idea to only apply @Lock at the method level
> (some methods are guarded some not - AFAIK EJB does not allow this
either).
>
> I agree that conversation concurrentAccessTimeout in Weld should be
> configurable. In fact, it should be possible to change this timeout even
> now using Weld API and org.jboss.weld.context.ConversationContext. But
> it should be definitely more straightforward [2].
>
> To sum it up - I wouldn't add concurrency control to the spec provided
> it's implementable using interceptors. This is a similar situation as to
> javax.transaction.Transactional and JTA. The best place to specify this
> is IMHO "Concurrency Utilities for Java EE".
>
> Martin
>
> [1]
> http://www.knitelius.com/2016/01/25/concurrency-control-for-cdi/
>
> [2]
> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WELD-2113
>
> Dne 24.2.2016 v 20:47 Stephan Knitelius napsal(a):
>> I just want to bring this to everyone attention one more time.
>>
>> The conversation scope concurrency control mechanism seems to be a
>> frequent point of pain in many projects.
>>
>> Especially when working with browser triggered asynchronous requests,
>> you can not rely on client-sided request synchronization.
>> Weld, unlike OWB, grants a 1 second timeout prior to throwing a (the
>> specified) BusyConversationException mitigating the effect a bit.
>>
>> This is a rather strict un-configurable type of CC. Also its
>> completely out of alignment with the other build-in scopes, offering no
>> CC what so ever.
>>
>> In the cases of Session- and Application-Scope, thread handling is left
>> entirely to the developer, even so they are just as vulnerable in AJAX
>> environments.
>>
>> We should really consider introducing a common configurable mechanism,
>> that is aligned across all scopes (obviously accounting for backwards
>> compatibility in the case of conversation scope).
>>
>> Would really appreciate some feedback.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Stephan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Feb 2016 at 23:10 Reza Rahman <Reza.Rahman at oracle.com
>> <mailto:Reza.Rahman at oracle.com>> wrote:
>>
>> We've discussed this issue before. I definitely still think @Lock
>> belongs in a modular CDI specification. It would be highly useful to
>> both @Singleton and @ApplicationScoped. Today if I need to use
>> declarative concurrency control for a shared component I am
>> essentially forced to use EJB singleton - which shouldn't be the
>> case and perhaps should not have been the case past Java EE 6.
>>
>>
>>> On 2/19/2016 5:27 AM, Stephan Knitelius wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> CDI spec does not define a common concurrency control mechanism.
>>> The time any type of concurrency control is mentioned is in
>>> conjunction with EJB and a rather restrictive one for conversation
>>> context.
>>>
>>> CDI Spec:
>>> The container ensures that a long-running conversation may be
>>> associated with at most one request at a time, by blocking or
>>> rejecting concurrent requests. If the container rejects a request,
>>> it must associate the request with a new transient conversation
>>> and throw an exception of
>>> type|javax.enterprise.context.BusyConversationException|.
>>>
>>>
>>> It would be helpful if a common configurable concurrency mechanism
>>> (EJB Singleton style locking?) could be established for all normal
>>> scopes.
>>>
>>> What are your thoughts on this?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Stephan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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