[cdi-dev] Managing Dependent Scoped Beans

Romain Manni-Bucau rmannibucau at gmail.com
Mon May 16 05:08:49 EDT 2016


Le 16 mai 2016 10:42, "Martin Kouba" <mkouba at redhat.com> a écrit :
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> Dne 16.5.2016 v 10:36 Romain Manni-Bucau napsal(a):
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>> I see, thks.
>>
>> I dont like having 2 methods with the same semantic there but agree the
>> default is misleading for such cases.
>>
>> 1. Cant we change the default? looks like current one can break apps if
>> misunderstood and not sure changing it is worse.
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>
> I think we cannot due to backward compatibility.
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>>
>> If not
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>> 2. Maybe we can type the returned type with a release method in the
>> instance  wrapper instead of enriching Instance API making it contextual
>> by nature?: w=instance...get();w.getValue().work();w.release(/*no
param*/);
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>
> Sorry, I don't get it. Do you want to change Instance.get() signature and
return some kind of wrapper? A simple snippet might help.
>

Yes get a method to have the wrapper to manage a single instance:

@Inject Instance i;

...

Wrapper w = i.getSelected();
...
w.getValue().businessmetd();
...
w.release();

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>> That is what most framework did finally to integrate with CDI so looks
>> natural.
>>
>> Le 16 mai 2016 10:23, "Martin Kouba" <mkouba at redhat.com
>> <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>> a écrit :
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>>     Dne 16.5.2016 v 10:20 Romain Manni-Bucau napsal(a):
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>>         Le 16 mai 2016 10:01, "Martin Kouba" <mkouba at redhat.com
>>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>
>>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>>> a écrit :
>>
>>           >
>>           > Dne 15.5.2016 v 16:14 John D. Ament napsal(a):
>>           > > Hey guys
>>           > >
>>           > > Seems like we have some issues in JIRA all focused on
>>         managing the
>>           > > lifecycle of Dependent scoped beans.  It also seems like
>>         we have many
>>           > > differing opinions about how to manage them.
>>           > >
>>           > > - Martin raised a PR to add a release() method to Instance
>>         to help
>>           > > destroy a dependent bean
>>         https://github.com/cdi-spec/cdi/pull/286
>>           > > - I raised a PR https://github.com/cdi-spec/cdi/pull/289
>>         to update the
>>           > > spec to clarify how to manage a dependent scoped bean.
>>           > >
>>           > > Right now, it seems that the big disagreement is whether
>>           > > Instance.destroy() can destroy objects not created by it
>>         (the case
>>         being
>>           > > around the CDI utility class, being an impl of Instance).
I'm
>>         currently
>>           > > heavily against Martin's proposed changes, but want to get
>>         input from
>>           > > others on the group to understand their perspective.
>>           > >
>>           > > - Does the spec require destroy() to be called only on
>>         instances
>>         that it
>>           > > created?  When I read 5.6.1 the only requirement I see is
>>         that it
>>         has to
>>           > > be a dependent scoped bean.  Note when I ask this I'm
>>         asking from the
>>           > > spec perspective, its a different problem if there's some
>>         issues with
>>           > > implementations following suite (I would imagine there
>>         needs to be some
>>           > > shared global registry of dependent scoped beans for this
>>         to work).
>>           > >
>>           > > - Do we want two methods that effectively do the same
>>         thing?  I don't
>>           > > see a strong difference between the two.
>>           >
>>           > Instance.destroy() currently always destroys the contextual
>>         instance.
>>           > Which is not always what users expect. That's why I proposed
>>         to add
>>           > Instance.release() - https://github.com/cdi-spec/cdi/pull/286
,
>>           > previously Instance.getBean() -
>>         https://github.com/cdi-spec/cdi/pull/273.
>>           >
>>
>>         Since you give the instance to both I guess the intention from
user
>>         point of view is obvious and then we dont need 2 methods. What
>>         would be
>>         the other use case?
>>
>>
>>     https://github.com/cdi-spec/cdi/pull/273#issuecomment-179080614
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>>
>>           > >
>>           > > On the flipside, my change is more a spec clarification.
>>         I'm thinking
>>           > > more now that it belongs as a reword of 5.6.1 to clarify
>>         how to use
>>           > > destroy() on dependent beans, rather than where I put it.
>>         I think
>>           > > realistically we have all of the tools needed to manage the
>>         lifecycle of
>>           > > these classes, just need to clarify them for people to use.
>>           > >
>>           > > John
>>           > >
>>           > >
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>>           > Martin Kouba
>>           > Software Engineer
>>           > Red Hat, Czech Republic
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