[cdi-dev] Managing Dependent Scoped Beans

Martin Kouba mkouba at redhat.com
Mon May 16 05:48:12 EDT 2016


Ok, what about something like this (names to be discussed): add a new 
interface:

ManagedInstance<T> implements AutoCloseable {
  T get();
}

and two new methods on Instance:

ManagedInstance getAndDestroy();
ManagedInstance getAndRelease();

The first one would return a ManagedInstance whose close() would always 
call Instance.destroy(). The latter one - close() would only call 
Instance.destroy() for @Dependent beans.

Just throwing ideas...


Dne 16.5.2016 v 11:23 Romain Manni-Bucau napsal(a):
> I agree with you bit also the default should be smoother. Just trying to
> have side by side 2 confusing methods.
>
> Like the AutoCloseable idea btw.
>
> Le 16 mai 2016 11:20, "Martin Kouba" <mkouba at redhat.com
> <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>> a écrit :
>
>     Dne 16.5.2016 v 11:08 Romain Manni-Bucau napsal(a):
>
>
>         Le 16 mai 2016 10:42, "Martin Kouba" <mkouba at redhat.com
>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>
>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>>> a écrit :
>           >
>           >
>           >
>           > Dne 16.5.2016 v 10:36 Romain Manni-Bucau napsal(a):
>           >
>           >> I see, thks.
>           >>
>           >> I dont like having 2 methods with the same semantic there
>         but agree the
>           >> default is misleading for such cases.
>           >>
>           >> 1. Cant we change the default? looks like current one can
>         break apps if
>           >> misunderstood and not sure changing it is worse.
>           >
>           >
>           > I think we cannot due to backward compatibility.
>           >
>           >
>           >>
>           >> If not
>           >>
>           >> 2. Maybe we can type the returned type with a release
>         method in the
>           >> instance  wrapper instead of enriching Instance API making
>         it contextual
>           >> by nature?:
>         w=instance...get();w.getValue().work();w.release(/*no
>         param*/);
>           >
>           >
>           > Sorry, I don't get it. Do you want to change Instance.get()
>         signature
>         and return some kind of wrapper? A simple snippet might help.
>           >
>
>         Yes get a method to have the wrapper to manage a single instance:
>
>         @Inject Instance i;
>
>         ...
>
>         Wrapper w = i.getSelected();
>         ...
>         w.getValue().businessmetd();
>         ...
>         w.release();
>
>
>     Well, we could introduce a new wrapper and even make is
>     AutoCloseable, e.g. something like discussed here:
>     http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/cdi-dev/2016-May/008241.html
>
>     But still you would have to distinguish between destroy() and
>     release(). My original proposal was to allow a user to inspect the
>     Bean metadata, see also https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-515. But
>     guys convinced me ;-)
>
>
>           >>
>           >> That is what most framework did finally to integrate with
>         CDI so looks
>           >> natural.
>           >>
>           >> Le 16 mai 2016 10:23, "Martin Kouba" <mkouba at redhat.com
>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>
>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>>
>           >> <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>
>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>>>> a écrit :
>           >>
>           >>     Dne 16.5.2016 v 10:20 Romain Manni-Bucau napsal(a):
>           >>
>           >>
>           >>         Le 16 mai 2016 10:01, "Martin Kouba"
>         <mkouba at redhat.com <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>
>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>>
>           >>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com
>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com> <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com
>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>>>
>           >>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com
>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com> <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com
>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>>
>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>
>         <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com <mailto:mkouba at redhat.com>>>>> a écrit :
>           >>
>           >>           >
>           >>           > Dne 15.5.2016 v 16:14 John D. Ament napsal(a):
>           >>           > > Hey guys
>           >>           > >
>           >>           > > Seems like we have some issues in JIRA all
>         focused on
>           >>         managing the
>           >>           > > lifecycle of Dependent scoped beans.  It also
>         seems like
>           >>         we have many
>           >>           > > differing opinions about how to manage them.
>           >>           > >
>           >>           > > - Martin raised a PR to add a release()
>         method to Instance
>           >>         to help
>           >>           > > destroy a dependent bean
>           >> https://github.com/cdi-spec/cdi/pull/286
>           >>           > > - I raised a PR
>         https://github.com/cdi-spec/cdi/pull/289
>           >>         to update the
>           >>           > > spec to clarify how to manage a dependent
>         scoped bean.
>           >>           > >
>           >>           > > Right now, it seems that the big disagreement
>         is whether
>           >>           > > Instance.destroy() can destroy objects not
>         created by it
>           >>         (the case
>           >>         being
>           >>           > > around the CDI utility class, being an impl of
>         Instance).  I'm
>           >>         currently
>           >>           > > heavily against Martin's proposed changes,
>         but want to get
>           >>         input from
>           >>           > > others on the group to understand their
>         perspective.
>           >>           > >
>           >>           > > - Does the spec require destroy() to be
>         called only on
>           >>         instances
>           >>         that it
>           >>           > > created?  When I read 5.6.1 the only
>         requirement I see is
>           >>         that it
>           >>         has to
>           >>           > > be a dependent scoped bean.  Note when I ask
>         this I'm
>           >>         asking from the
>           >>           > > spec perspective, its a different problem if
>         there's some
>           >>         issues with
>           >>           > > implementations following suite (I would
>         imagine there
>           >>         needs to be some
>           >>           > > shared global registry of dependent scoped
>         beans for this
>           >>         to work).
>           >>           > >
>           >>           > > - Do we want two methods that effectively do
>         the same
>           >>         thing?  I don't
>           >>           > > see a strong difference between the two.
>           >>           >
>           >>           > Instance.destroy() currently always destroys
>         the contextual
>           >>         instance.
>           >>           > Which is not always what users expect. That's
>         why I proposed
>           >>         to add
>           >>           > Instance.release() -
>         https://github.com/cdi-spec/cdi/pull/286,
>           >>           > previously Instance.getBean() -
>           >> https://github.com/cdi-spec/cdi/pull/273.
>           >>           >
>           >>
>           >>         Since you give the instance to both I guess the
>         intention
>         from user
>           >>         point of view is obvious and then we dont need 2
>         methods. What
>           >>         would be
>           >>         the other use case?
>           >>
>           >>
>           >> https://github.com/cdi-spec/cdi/pull/273#issuecomment-179080614
>           >>
>           >>
>           >>           > >
>           >>           > > On the flipside, my change is more a spec
>         clarification.
>           >>         I'm thinking
>           >>           > > more now that it belongs as a reword of 5.6.1
>         to clarify
>           >>         how to use
>           >>           > > destroy() on dependent beans, rather than
>         where I put it.
>           >>         I think
>           >>           > > realistically we have all of the tools needed to
>         manage the
>           >>         lifecycle of
>           >>           > > these classes, just need to clarify them for
>         people to
>         use.
>           >>           > >
>           >>           > > John
>           >>           > >
>           >>           > >
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