[cdi-dev] Spliting SE package in an independent jar

Tue Oct 18 09:29:39 EDT 2016

Meaning SE API adds stuff to what EE already needs not sub-setting it, so
you end up with more interfaces on SE than EE.

If the additional SE JAR is simply for bootstrapping on SE, that's
understandable, but it does not meet the idea of

>5. Define a lightweight container, which takes the annotations specified
by the @Inject specification, defines the behaviour of the container (which
@Inject failed to do), and adds a couple of popular features from CDI such
as producer >methods. This will allow much wider adoption of CDI in the
Java world, and provide a great stepping stone between Java SE, a servlet
container, OSGi and a full Java EE server.
from the proposal.

Was that found out of scope or not doable in CDI 2?

Having 2 JARs where EE only nees one is not what I would consider
"lightweight".

Werner

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:23 PM, John Ament <john.ament at spartasystems.com>
wrote:

> Thats why cdi-se-api depends on cdi-api.
>
>
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> *From:* Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:37 AM
> *To:* John Ament
> *Cc:* cdi-dev
>
> *Subject:* Re: [cdi-dev] Spliting SE package in an independent jar
>
> Yes, but on SE you can't just use the "cdi-se-api" on its own.
>
> So SE on the API level needs 2 JARs not just one. That's what I mean.
> I trust the sum of all JARs for an implementation would be somewhat
> smaller on SE, otherwise the "Micro" idea of using a self-executable or
> "Fat" JAR in those places would be ad-absurdum, if you end up with a "Fat
> JAR" that's bigger than most existing app servers;-)
>
> I would have expected a
> core-api
> se-api
> ee-api
>
> kind of setup, but if it won't blow implementations on the SE side, I also
> understand that.
>
> Werner
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:19 PM, John Ament <john.ament at spartasystems.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Opposite Werner, EE API is larger and has the bulk of the content.  SE
>> API at this point has two classes.
>>
>>
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>> *From:* cdi-dev-bounces at lists.jboss.org <cdi-dev-bounces at lists.jboss.org>
>> on behalf of Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 5:27 AM
>> *To:* cdi-dev
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [cdi-dev] Spliting SE package in an independent jar
>>
>> So cdi-se-api is larger than the (core) EE API?
>>
>> An SE implementation should hopefully have a smaller footprint than
>> current EE ones (e.g. Weld)?
>>
>> Werner
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 11:09 AM, <cdi-dev-request at lists.jboss.org>
>> wrote:
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>>> Subject: Re: [cdi-dev] Spliting SE package in an independent jar
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>>> +1 for John's proposal.
>>>
>>> So there will be two API artifacts:
>>> * cdi-api
>>> * cdi-se-api (depends on cdi-api)
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> Dne 12.10.2016 v 12:40 John Ament napsal(a):
>>> > the way I've envisioned it:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > - There is no dedicated EE API (none that I could find that is EE only,
>>> > except for perhaps session scoped)t
>>> >
>>> > - There is SE specific API and the current API could be considered
>>> "core"
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Take the current API module and create two submodules, one for core and
>>> > one for SE.  SE depends on core.  EE still refers to core as the same
>>> > existing coordinates (create new coordinates for the parent).
>>> >
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>>> > *From:* cdi-dev-bounces at lists.jboss.org
>>> > <cdi-dev-bounces at lists.jboss.org> on behalf of Antoine Sabot-Durand
>>> > <antoine at sabot-durand.net>
>>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 5:18 AM
>>> > *To:* cdi-dev
>>> > *Subject:* [cdi-dev] Spliting SE package in an independent jar
>>> >
>>> > to avoid including CDI SE features in Java EE, we already talk about
>>> > creating a specific SE jar.
>>> >
>>> > Any thought on this approach?
>>> >
>>> > Antoine
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