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No, it means that since we have the bean name
"javax.enterprise.context.conversation" defined, the following bean
names are not allowed to be defined by a different bean:<br>
<br>
javax<br>
javax.enterprise<br>
javax.enterprise.context<br>
and of course javax.enterprise.context.conversation<br>
<br>
All the others, e.g. javax.enterprise.foo or javax.bar are fine.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/16/2015 08:20 AM, Romain
Manni-Bucau wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CACLE=7O05wqAG8YFATNfEzk_wHDSk7ktZtD0L1+Yj7QmgzpSRg@mail.gmail.com"
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<p dir="ltr">Hmm</p>
<p dir="ltr">Does it mean CDI cant add javax.enterprise.xxx bean?
Or even other specs cant add javax.xxx beans?<br>
</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Le 16 janv. 2015 08:10, "Jozef Hartinger"
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a écrit :<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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relevant part goes:<br>
<br>
"If the bean name of one bean is of the form x.y, where y is a
valid bean name, and x is the bean name of the other bean,
<div class="quoted-text"><br>
the container automatically detects the problem and treats
it as a deployment problem."<br>
<br>
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Let's have:<br>
@Named("team1.superBean.enriched") class Bean1<br>
@Named("team1.superBean") class Bean2<br>
<br>
Now<br>
1) "If the bean name of one bean is of the form x.y"<br>
<br>
We can match the "x.y" pattern on Bean1's name as:<br>
(team1.superBean) . (enriched)<br>
thus:<br>
x = team1.superBean<br>
y = enriched<br>
<br>
2) "where y is a valid bean name"<br>
"enriched" is indeed a valid bean name<br>
<br>
3) "and x is the bean name of the other bean"<br>
x ("team1.superBean") is at the same time the name of Bean2<br>
<br>
4) Therefore, "the container automatically detects the problem
and treats it as a deployment problem".<br>
<br>
Therefore, this scenario does not become a conflict at
runtime.<br>
<br>
HTH,<br>
Jozef
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On 01/15/2015 02:44 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:<br>
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@Jozef: can you quote it please - sorry if it is obvious
but I dont<br>
see it in 5.3.1, I look 1.2 version BTW. It only deals
with names<br>
where or CDI where here we conflict between resolvers.<br>
<br>
<br>
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2015-01-15 12:59 GMT+01:00 Jozef Hartinger <<a
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On 01/15/2015 11:35 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:<br>
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@Named("team1.superBean") and
@Named("team1.superBean.enriched") will<br>
lead to conflicts and that's things I saw several
times in spring apps<br>
which are clearly not possible using CDI + EL
properly.<br>
</blockquote>
Yes and these conflicts are handled by the spec. See
5.3.1<br>
<br>
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Hmm not sure. If enriched is a property of the first
bean then spec<br>
doesn't help.<br>
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The spec deals with exactly these types of cases in
5.3.1<br>
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2015-01-15 11:22 GMT+01:00 Jozef Hartinger <<a
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On 01/15/2015 11:11 AM, Mark Struberg wrote:<br>
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Jozef, your argumentation is flawed already at
the very beginning.<br>
Currently there is no bean with the name
"javax", thus "x.y ... and x<br>
is<br>
the<br>
bean name of the other bean" will not be a
problem.<br>
<br>
All that javax is simply not a bean name but a
dirty hack in the<br>
ELResolver. That is something totally
different.<br>
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Mark, please read the e-mail again. I am not
saying there are two beans<br>
named "javax". I am saying there are two beans
with the following<br>
names:<br>
<br>
- javax.enterprise.context.conversation (the
built-in one)<br>
- javax (Marks's bean)<br>
<br>
where the former one is in form x.y where y is a
valid bean name:<br>
(javax) . (enterprise.context.conversation)<br>
<br>
and thus since javax is both x above and a bean
name of Mark's bean,<br>
this<br>
results in an exception.<br>
<br>
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Thus the rest of your argumentation chain is
also invalid.<br>
<br>
LieGrue,<br>
strub<br>
<br>
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On Thursday, 15 January 2015, 10:47, Jozef
Hartinger<br>
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wrote:<br>
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T he @Named("javax") argument is not
valid. The spec says:<br>
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Suppose two beans are both available for
injection in a certain war,<br>
and<br>
either:<br>
- the two beans have the same bean name and
the name is not<br>
resolvable,<br>
or<br>
- the bean name of one bean is of the form
x.y, where y is a valid<br>
bean<br>
name, and x is the bean<br>
name of the other bean,<br>
the container automatically detects the
problem and treats it as a<br>
deployment problem.<br>
<br>
So we have two beans:<br>
- javax.enterprise.context.conversation (the
built-in one)<br>
- javax (Marks's bean)<br>
<br>
now:<br>
<br>
1) the bean name of one bean is of the form
x.y, where y is a valid<br>
bean<br>
name - that is javax.enterprise.context.conversation<br>
x = javax<br>
y = enterprise.context.conversation<br>
2) and x is the bean name of the other bean
- same as the name of<br>
Mark's<br>
@Named("javax") bean<br>
3) the container automatically detects the
problem and treats it as a<br>
deployment problem<br>
<br>
Therefore, a bean named @Named("javax") will
cause a deployment<br>
problem<br>
no matter whether it is actually available
via EL or not.<br>
<br>
To summarize, the spec already anticipates
the problem and forbids<br>
this<br>
case explicitly.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 01/14/2015 04:45 PM, Mark Struberg wrote:<br>
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And then break all applications which
have a @Named("javax")<br>
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public class MyBean?<br>
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It's simply not an option imo. It
breaks lots of other specs and<br>
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features. This is an XOR situation.<br>
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<br>
LieGrue,<br>
strub<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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From: Pete Muir <<a
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To: Romain Manni-Bucau <<a
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Cc: Cdi-dev <<a
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Edward Burns<br>
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Sent: Wednesday, 14 January 2015,
11:56<br>
Subject: Re: [cdi-dev] Answer from
EL spec lead: no, "."<br>
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is not valid in an EL name.<br>
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We need to go for both (A) and (B).<br>
<br>
We would need to deprecate the
existing name before we can<br>
allow<br>
it<br>
to<br>
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not be<br>
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supported. This means CDI 3. So I
would suggest we deprecate it<br>
in<br>
2,<br>
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add an<br>
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alternative that can be used, and
then consider removing it in<br>
CDI<br>
3.<br>
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In the<br>
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meantime for CDI 2, we will need to
improve the TCK to check<br>
this<br>
more<br>
carefully.<br>
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On 14 Jan 2015, at 10:09,
Romain Manni-Bucau<br>
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+1 for B (IMO it is not used
that much)<br>
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2015-01-14 10:54 GMT+01:00
Jozef Hartinger<br>
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I think further action is
needed on this. Now that it has<br>
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been<br>
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confirmed<br>
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that
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itself<br>
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is not a<br>
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valid EL<br>
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name we should either:<br>
<br>
A) Require all CDI
implementations to adapt the<br>
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property-based approach<br>
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which allows this to be
implemented portably (as Weld does)<br>
B) Declare publicly that
although the CDI spec declares the<br>
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given name,<br>
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it is a bug and applications
should not use the name. (What<br>
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about<br>
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compatibility with existing
applications?)<br>
<br>
Jozef<br>
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On 01/08/2015 09:27 AM, Mark
Struberg wrote:<br>
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Dear CDI fellows!<br>
<br>
I've received an answer
regarding our EL question<br>
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from the EL<br>
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Spec Lead.<br>
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Ed, thanks for helping us!<br>
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LieGrue,<br>
strub<br>
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On Tuesday, 6 January
2015, 23:14, Edward Burns<br>
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Hello Mark,<br>
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To close this out, no,
"." is not valid in<br>
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must<br>
be a java identifier.
I'm told this was<br>
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discussed by Pete<br>
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a long time<br>
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ago in the EL 3.0 EG.<br>
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