<div dir="ltr">Guess Jozef pretty much hit the point, I don't care about the sticker or label you may put on your laptop or product, but a compatible behavior allowing users to deploy against as many available containers as possible with minimal or no changes at all;-)<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Jozef Hartinger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jharting@redhat.com" target="_blank">jharting@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">If we want applications to be portable across different implementations then the spec should require the least common multiple - that is beans that belong to passivating scopes being serializable. TomEE/OWB is free to have a mode in which passivation requirements are not checked if the server runs in non-passivating mode.<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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On 02/03/2015 11:03 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:<br>
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servlet spec requirement is only for distributed systems AFAIK == not<br>
required in most of instances.<br>
tomee supports both and is aligned on tomcat for all tomee flavors and<br>
is serialization-less in openejb flavors<br>
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That said this is not a certification question but a usage question<br>
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2015-02-03 10:59 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <<a href="mailto:werner.keil@gmail.com" target="_blank">werner.keil@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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What about TomEE?<br>
After all it's Java EE 6 certified:<br>
<a href="http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javaee/overview/compatibility-jsp-136984.html" target="_blank">http://www.oracle.com/<u></u>technetwork/java/javaee/<u></u>overview/compatibility-jsp-<u></u>136984.html</a><br>
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So as Mark mentioned briefly, there is a requirement by the Servlet spec, so<br>
I assume it is either always on or at least on by default (otherwise a TomEE<br>
"tweaked" like that would no longer be Java EE compliant;-)<br>
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Tomcat itself was never certified.<br>
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Werner<br>
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in a standard tomcat yes but not in most of embedded ones...and that's<br>
not the point anyway<br>
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2015-02-02 16:50 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <<a href="mailto:struberg@yahoo.de" target="_blank">struberg@yahoo.de</a>>:<br>
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but you HAVE to manually switch it off. By _default_ the serialization<br>
is on...<br>
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LieGrue,<br>
strub<br>
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@Mark: that's not true. 1) you can switch it off + I mainly spoke of<br>
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embedded case where it is true in 80% of cases<br>
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2015-02-02 16:38 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <<a href="mailto:struberg@yahoo.de" target="_blank">struberg@yahoo.de</a>>:<br>
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Romain, that's not true. Tomcat by default ALWAYS serializes the<br>
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session at shutdown! Even if you don't have a cluster set up. This is<br>
also<br>
required by the Servlets spec...<br>
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LieGrue,<br>
strub<br>
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