[forge-dev] Forge CRAsH, CRAsH Forge!

Fri May 4 12:57:58 EDT 2012

Haha, yeah. We really need to de-couple forge from JLine, Mike was the one
who got all of this stuff working for us, and he made some pretty deep
enhancements to JLine in order for this to work.

Mike, do you think we could push these changes back down to Jline?

~Lincoln

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Julien Viet <julien at julienviet.com> wrote:

> I'm not saying I'll fix bugs in JLine :-)
>
> On May 2, 2012, at 6:44 PM, George Gastaldi wrote:
>
> > Awesome !!! Let´s create a JIRA for it and make it happen ! :D
> > That could be the answer to some nasty bugs on JLine.
> >
> > Looking forward to it !
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> > 2012/5/2 Lincoln Baxter <lbaxter at redhat.com>:
> >> Awesome, Julien!
> >>
> >> Sorry for the delay on my end. I am at a conference and have limited
> access to the RedHat mail VPN.
> >>
> >> Could we bring this discussion to the dev list? (Copied)
> >>
> >> This way everyone will be able to discuss/follow. And I'll see it
> faster since it comes to all of my accounts.
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> ~Lincoln
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Julien Viet" <julien at julienviet.com>
> >> To: "Lincoln Baxter, III" <lbaxter at redhat.com>
> >> Cc: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen at redhat.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 1:32:42 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Forge CRAsH, CRAsH Forge!
> >>
> >> I'm trying to POC something with crash as invoker of forge.
> >>
> >> I can now clearly see how it would work:
> >> - the jline code would be merged somehow with jline crash code: I need
> to see what can be reused or not
> >> - the invoking part would use crash that would give the benefit to use
> the other protocol out of the box like SSH
> >> - crash would be used like a IO library mostly that wraps the various
> implementations (jline,ssh,telnet)
> >>
> >> It will take me some time because I cannot spend much time on it (and
> I'm in vacation until wednesday :-) ).
> >>
> >> That being said I learned interesting stuff looking at forge code, like
> the nasty but useful proprietary SigHandler usage that is useful
> >> to catch control-c and use it to interrupt a process.
> >>
> >> This way the "shell" implementation (i.e was the shell do when you use
> it) would remain separate I think because CRaSH uses a file based approach
> (using lot of groovy)
> >> and forge uses a plugin based approach with CDI based on plugin
> deployment. We can still see more convergence later: in particular the
> command line parser, both seems very contextual and are pain to write /
> maintain :-)
> >>
> >> I'll let you know when I'll have available, it may take a couple of
> weeks depending on the work load aside (probably less). It will surely fork
> forge on GH
> >> to push the work visible at some point, I'll also post on the forge dev
> list too at this moment.
> >>
> >> Julien
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:
> >>
> >>> Plugins can change core behavior, so certainly.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu 26 Apr 2012 01:43:33 PM EDT, Julien Viet wrote:
> >>>> if the connectivity part of forge is also a plugin of forge, then it
> would certainly work.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> That's certainly something we could do as well! I like that idea :)
> It would certainly be easier if CRaSh were used as the Forge shell provider.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 04/26/2012 12:55 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
> >>>>>> I was thinking that the functionallity in CRAsH to connect remotely
> could be loaded in as a plugin to Forge.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That would be more an addon and not involve complex
> dependencies/legal rearrangements ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> /max
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 15:46 , Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hey Julien!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> CRaSH seems like a very well implemented and creative project! At
> first I didn't really understand what it was for, but the thought of
> providing SSH access directly to runtime Java applications is, simply put,
> brilliant!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Forge is a bit heavy for that at the moment, because of our
> dependency on CDI (primarily,) and because we haven't yet disassociated the
> built-in plugins from the core distribution. Soon, however, our shell will
> be entirely standalone. With zero or as much functionality as you want OOB.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I noticed we both use JLine, although mike's Forked it quite a bit
> for our needs. (Wish he would have done it as an actual fork, not as a
> source bundle in the project itself, but perhaps there's some collaboration
> opportunity there.)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Where do you think we can work together? I'm totally open to ideas.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ~Lincoln
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed 25 Apr 2012 04:18:06 PM EDT, Julien Viet wrote:
> >>>>>>>> hey :-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I would welcome a collaboration, a single effort would provide
> more features, increase the community footprint and visibility of both
> projects.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have been working hard recently to finish the 1.0 of CRaSH and
> provide the best user experience I could offer at the moment.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Currently CRaSH is used in several products / projects already!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - eXo Cloud IDE provides a web interface using CRaSH under the
> hood (see photo here
> https://twitter.com/#!/chanezon/status/194759689102303233/photo/1/large )
> >>>>>>>> - EPP embeds it for portal management providing CLI :
> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/R8ruzrxNQ6IWyh-vKGgrnbzpZJJiUYMwZ5RePzRoQQH_YeRLhGeQG6olps5RgcyiZ162NIZTIWw6Quegmr33nPqU18FQteGmmv7ZCHDl8J9VQEXeKpk
> >>>>>>>> - the Silverpeas portal embeds it : http://www.silverpeas.org/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> let me know if you would like to work with me :-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Just wanted to e-introduce you guys after talking to you both
> about the nice possible overlaps/interactions
> >>>>>>>>> being able to have the features CRaSH provides from within Forge
> (i.e. connection and interaction with remote process).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Julien, meet Lincoln the Forge Master;
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Lincoln, meet Julien the Party Crasher.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> /max
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>> Lincoln Baxter, III
> >>>>>>> http://ocpsoft.org
> >>>>>>> "Simpler is better."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> Lincoln Baxter, III
> >>>>> http://ocpsoft.org
> >>>>> "Simpler is better."
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ---
> >>> Lincoln Baxter, III
> >>> http://ocpsoft.org
> >>> "Simpler is better."
> >>>
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