[forge-dev] Forge CRAsH, CRAsH Forge!

Fri May 4 14:30:53 EDT 2012

You'll have to ask mike about that. I believe he added full window
buffering support.

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Julien Viet <julien at julienviet.com> wrote:

> indeed I saw a fork of JLine in the codebase, what kind of stuff have you
> done there ?
>
> On May 4, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:
>
> Haha, yeah. We really need to de-couple forge from JLine, Mike was the one
> who got all of this stuff working for us, and he made some pretty deep
> enhancements to JLine in order for this to work.
>
> Mike, do you think we could push these changes back down to Jline?
>
> ~Lincoln
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Julien Viet <julien at julienviet.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not saying I'll fix bugs in JLine :-)
>>
>> On May 2, 2012, at 6:44 PM, George Gastaldi wrote:
>>
>> > Awesome !!! Let´s create a JIRA for it and make it happen ! :D
>> > That could be the answer to some nasty bugs on JLine.
>> >
>> > Looking forward to it !
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > George
>> >
>> >
>> > 2012/5/2 Lincoln Baxter <lbaxter at redhat.com>:
>> >> Awesome, Julien!
>> >>
>> >> Sorry for the delay on my end. I am at a conference and have limited
>> access to the RedHat mail VPN.
>> >>
>> >> Could we bring this discussion to the dev list? (Copied)
>> >>
>> >> This way everyone will be able to discuss/follow. And I'll see it
>> faster since it comes to all of my accounts.
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> ~Lincoln
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Julien Viet" <julien at julienviet.com>
>> >> To: "Lincoln Baxter, III" <lbaxter at redhat.com>
>> >> Cc: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen at redhat.com>
>> >> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 1:32:42 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: Forge CRAsH, CRAsH Forge!
>> >>
>> >> I'm trying to POC something with crash as invoker of forge.
>> >>
>> >> I can now clearly see how it would work:
>> >> - the jline code would be merged somehow with jline crash code: I need
>> to see what can be reused or not
>> >> - the invoking part would use crash that would give the benefit to use
>> the other protocol out of the box like SSH
>> >> - crash would be used like a IO library mostly that wraps the various
>> implementations (jline,ssh,telnet)
>> >>
>> >> It will take me some time because I cannot spend much time on it (and
>> I'm in vacation until wednesday :-) ).
>> >>
>> >> That being said I learned interesting stuff looking at forge code,
>> like the nasty but useful proprietary SigHandler usage that is useful
>> >> to catch control-c and use it to interrupt a process.
>> >>
>> >> This way the "shell" implementation (i.e was the shell do when you use
>> it) would remain separate I think because CRaSH uses a file based approach
>> (using lot of groovy)
>> >> and forge uses a plugin based approach with CDI based on plugin
>> deployment. We can still see more convergence later: in particular the
>> command line parser, both seems very contextual and are pain to write /
>> maintain :-)
>> >>
>> >> I'll let you know when I'll have available, it may take a couple of
>> weeks depending on the work load aside (probably less). It will surely fork
>> forge on GH
>> >> to push the work visible at some point, I'll also post on the forge
>> dev list too at this moment.
>> >>
>> >> Julien
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Plugins can change core behavior, so certainly.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu 26 Apr 2012 01:43:33 PM EDT, Julien Viet wrote:
>> >>>> if the connectivity part of forge is also a plugin of forge, then it
>> would certainly work.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> That's certainly something we could do as well! I like that idea :)
>> It would certainly be easier if CRaSh were used as the Forge shell provider.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 04/26/2012 12:55 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>> >>>>>> I was thinking that the functionallity in CRAsH to connect
>> remotely could be loaded in as a plugin to Forge.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> That would be more an addon and not involve complex
>> dependencies/legal rearrangements ?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> /max
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Apr 26, 2012, at 15:46 , Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hey Julien!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> CRaSH seems like a very well implemented and creative project! At
>> first I didn't really understand what it was for, but the thought of
>> providing SSH access directly to runtime Java applications is, simply put,
>> brilliant!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Forge is a bit heavy for that at the moment, because of our
>> dependency on CDI (primarily,) and because we haven't yet disassociated the
>> built-in plugins from the core distribution. Soon, however, our shell will
>> be entirely standalone. With zero or as much functionality as you want OOB.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I noticed we both use JLine, although mike's Forked it quite a
>> bit for our needs. (Wish he would have done it as an actual fork, not as a
>> source bundle in the project itself, but perhaps there's some collaboration
>> opportunity there.)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Where do you think we can work together? I'm totally open to
>> ideas.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ~Lincoln
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Wed 25 Apr 2012 04:18:06 PM EDT, Julien Viet wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> hey :-)
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I would welcome a collaboration, a single effort would provide
>> more features, increase the community footprint and visibility of both
>> projects.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I have been working hard recently to finish the 1.0 of CRaSH and
>> provide the best user experience I could offer at the moment.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Currently CRaSH is used in several products / projects already!
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> - eXo Cloud IDE provides a web interface using CRaSH under the
>> hood (see photo here
>> https://twitter.com/#!/chanezon/status/194759689102303233/photo/1/large )
>> >>>>>>>> - EPP embeds it for portal management providing CLI :
>> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/R8ruzrxNQ6IWyh-vKGgrnbzpZJJiUYMwZ5RePzRoQQH_YeRLhGeQG6olps5RgcyiZ162NIZTIWw6Quegmr33nPqU18FQteGmmv7ZCHDl8J9VQEXeKpk
>> >>>>>>>> - the Silverpeas portal embeds it : http://www.silverpeas.org/
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> let me know if you would like to work with me :-)
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Just wanted to e-introduce you guys after talking to you both
>> about the nice possible overlaps/interactions
>> >>>>>>>>> being able to have the features CRaSH provides from within
>> Forge (i.e. connection and interaction with remote process).
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Julien, meet Lincoln the Forge Master;
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Lincoln, meet Julien the Party Crasher.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> /max
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> ---
>> >>>>>>> Lincoln Baxter, III
>> >>>>>>> http://ocpsoft.org
>> >>>>>>> "Simpler is better."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> ---
>> >>>>> Lincoln Baxter, III
>> >>>>> http://ocpsoft.org
>> >>>>> "Simpler is better."
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> ---
>> >>> Lincoln Baxter, III
>> >>> http://ocpsoft.org
>> >>> "Simpler is better."
>> >>>
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