[forge-users] Scaffolding in Forge 2.x (was Beta5 next Monday ?)
George Gastaldi
ggastald at redhat.com
Sat Jan 4 17:16:57 EST 2014
Interesting and certainly doable. I remember discussing this separation in the early days, but we decided to keep it all the javaee addons in a single addon for simplicity.
> Em 04/01/2014, às 18:47, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing at gmail.com> escreveu:
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> So as a user, I execute Forge, once in the shell I hit TAB and see cd, ls, touch, man... I install the jpa-addon, I hit TAB, I see these new commands, I install the jsf-addon, I hit TAB, and see these new commands....
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> 2014/1/4 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing at gmail.com>
>> But if I take your definition :
>>
>> > Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing interactive or re-consumable about it.
>>
>> Then, generating entities from an already existing database, is scaffolding. So I expect a forge -i jpa-addon. Then I get a set of entities, and with Forge I can cd the entity and do a jpa-new-field. In this example I scaffold and then add something to a generated entity.
>>
>> What's important in your sentence is "Right now". What if one day we scaffold JSF pages and beans and we are able to cd a backing bean and do jsf-new-field... then, there is no difference between JPA and JSF.
>>
>> My point is that as a user, I don't understand why when I hit TAB, by default, I can see jpa commands, but not JSF or REST commands. I need to install addons for some, and it's already installed for others.
>>
>> Maybe Forge should just be an empty shell (cd, ls, touch, man...) with no extensions at all, and then I need to do a forge -i jpa-addon, forge -i jsf-addon, forge -i rest-addon to get extensions.... and if I'm lazy and just want to develop a Java EE app, I'll go forge -i javaee-addon.
>>
>> My 2 cents
>>
>> 2014/1/4 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hey Antonio!
>>>
>>> Again, more excellent feedback! Thank you!
>>>
>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user, jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.
>>>
>>> Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing interactive or re-consumable about it.
>>>
>>> Regarding the fact that you weren't able to see anything about JSF. I believe this is likely due to this issue that we identified in Beta4 and have fixed and tested for .Final --> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1407
>>>
>>> For example. This is still a bit strange because unless you have multiple scaffolds installed, you don't see the choice of scaffold type, but when I run scaffold setup in the latest SNAPSHOT, I see:
>>>
>>>> [jpa-demo]$ scaffold-
>>>> scaffold-generate scaffold-setup
>>>> [jpa-demo]$ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.
>>>> 2.2 2.1 2.0
>>>> [jpa-demo]$ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.2
>>>
>>>
>>> Additionally, when I type `--provider` manually without using TAB completion, then TAB complete the value, I do see the provider option, so there may still be something wrong with the fix for FORGE-1407:
>>>
>>>> [main]$ scaffold-setup --provider Faces
>>>
>>> ~Lincoln
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I first need to install scaffolding :
>>>>
>>>> forge -i scaffold
>>>>
>>>> And then, once in Forge I do :
>>>>
>>>> scaffold-setup
>>>> scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>>>
>>>> And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in the previous commands. These commands could have generated REST endpoint, EJBs, AngularJS....
>>>>
>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user, jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.
>>>>
>>>> When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does this mean it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF, REST, AngularJS, Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it installed. Why don't we have :
>>>>
>>>> forge -i scaffold-jsf
>>>> forge -i scaffold-jpa
>>>> forge -i scaffold-rest
>>>> forge -i scaffold-soap
>>>>
>>>> or even better if we follow the new naming convention
>>>>
>>>> forge -i jsf-scaffold
>>>> forge -i jpa-scaffold
>>>> forge -i rest-scaffold
>>>> forge -i soap-scaffold
>>>>
>>>> Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what will happen. Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me. So command scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or scaffold-scaffold. Why not having :
>>>>
>>>> jsf-scaffold --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>>> jpa-scaffold --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client
>>>> rest-scaffold --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>>> soap-scaffold --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>>>
>>>> What do you think ?
>>>> Antonio
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald at redhat.com>
>>>>> The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We fixed that for 2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Worth to mention that the available commands only generate the REST resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume them.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I suppose both are addons. How do I install these addons ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald at redhat.com>
>>>>>>> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional too.
>>>>>>> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might be a bit tight in schedule....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready since Beta4.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the IRC, 2.0.0.Final is due in Jan 15th, so that's up to Lincoln.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday (at the Lille JUG in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish User Group), I'll be giving a talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I gave at JavaOne (http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-session/) but with few extra features.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the only missing bits to make it run with Forge 2.x are :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> * Bean Validation (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)
>>>>>>>>>> * Java enums (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)
>>>>>>>>>> * JSF scaffolding
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on Monday for a Beta5 so I could use it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (just joking ;o)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
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