[hibernate-dev] Tutorials

Steve Ebersole steve at hibernate.org
Fri Aug 27 09:21:51 EDT 2010

I guess my concern here is mostly the lack of cohesion.  So we'd be
discussing stuff in a web page opened in the users browser, referencing
source code that is open in their IDE.

I guess everything else is just technical details.  Bottom line is
whether we think this is easier for users or less.

On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 06:34 -0500, Steve Ebersole wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 10:50 +0200, Hardy Ferentschik wrote:
> > I also like the idea of externalizing the docs.
> > 
> > Have you thought about building maven archetypes? Not sure whether this  
> > would be possible with gradle though.
> > Besides the archetype plugin sucks.
> Thought about it?  Sure.  My "issue" is that you'd have to create
> multiple to be useful because of the inability to script within the
> archetype.  Really its just gonna handle the dependencies for you.  Yeah
> you could "whip up" somne MyEntity.java and MyEntity.hbm.xml
> > Regarding the versions. Wouldn't you you some sort of filtering during  
> > build time?
> What I mean is that now you'd have some source code and some html.  In
> the html you have a choice:
> 1) completely "reproduce" the source code inline
> 2) tell the user where to get said source
> Really we'd probably need (2) anyway.  The problem here is that we have
> a choice:
> 1) Are the examples versioned along with the project and docs? 
> 2) Or do we simply push the "latest" hibernate-tutorials.zip to a
> well-known url and reference that from within 
> In the second case lets say the url is "http://tutorials.hibernate.org".
> Easy enough in terms of referencing; in the docbook source we'd just
> direct the user to that url.  The drawback is that all versions of the
> getting-started-guide point here. 
> In the first we'd need perhaps to leverage the injections we do right
> now.  TBH not sure the tutorials need updating and uploading for every
> single release.  Maybe major.minor is ok there, so 3.5 and 3.6 etc.  At
> any rate in the docbook source we'd need that fragment available and
> could then use it in the url link *I think*:
> <ulink
> url="http://tutorials.hibernate.org/hibernate-tutorials-&tutorialVersion.zip"/>
> Or maybe we need to assemble the URL externally and inject it:
> <ulink url="&tutorialUrl"/>

Steve Ebersole <steve at hibernate.org>

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